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Tbh if oculus weren’t associated with Facebook in a meaningful way I’d be all over it. But it is so I avoid it. The technology works fine but is a commercial fa

by ohyes 4y ago

Tbh if oculus weren’t associated with Facebook in a meaningful way I’d be all over it. But it is so I avoid it. The technology works fine but is a commercial failure, that’s not wholly Carmack’s fault.

onepointsixC 4y ago
Why do you think it's a commercial failure?
- ohyes 4y ago
  I think, in terms of the hype, VR was going to be the next big thing in gaming, and then maybe not just gaming after that, but other applications. So I was expecting it to become a required peripheral like a headset or a good mouse & keyboard. But I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything by not having a VR headset. Like the product direction was very clear for oculus, had lots of buy in from devs… then it was bought by Facebook and became so much muddier. (“We’re going to use it in the meta-verse for boring work stuff” VR will be everything). You need an exciting killer app for these things and they need to be commodity hardware. I’m guessing the best thing anyone could do for VR is give up all their patents.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  It is probably helpful to define 'commercial failure'. In the sense that it sold a lot of units, it is a success; in the sense that it made any money for the company which produced it, it is a failure. So, it could be taken different ways depending on how the term is defined.
Shared404 4y ago
I also fall into this category. Oculus without facebook would have probably sold me multiple pieces of hardware right now. With Facebook however, I'll never touch the stuff.
nickthegreek 4y ago
While I completely agree with you. I think it’s important to point out that if it wasn’t sold by Facebook, it would be 2.5x the cost and then most people wouldn’t touch it as it would be too big of an investment.
bee_rider 4y ago
Yea it is a device that goes on your face, puts cameras in your room, and creates a pseudo-reality for you. Who in their right mind would trust Facebook with that?
- WA 4y ago
  The millions of people who put microphones from Amazon or Google in their homes.
  - zem 4y ago
    in my experience, even those people tend not to trust facebook
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    That simply demonstrates how low a regard people have for facebook.
  - taylorius 4y ago
    No no, we're looking for people "in their right mind"

by ohyes 4y ago

onepointsixC 4y ago

Why do you think it's a commercial failure?

ohyes 4y ago
I think, in terms of the hype, VR was going to be the next big thing in gaming, and then maybe not just gaming after that, but other applications. So I was expecting it to become a required peripheral like a headset or a good mouse & keyboard. But I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything by not having a VR headset. Like the product direction was very clear for oculus, had lots of buy in from devs… then it was bought by Facebook and became so much muddier. (“We’re going to use it in the meta-verse for boring work stuff” VR will be everything). You need an exciting killer app for these things and they need to be commodity hardware. I’m guessing the best thing anyone could do for VR is give up all their patents.
Eisenstein 4y ago
It is probably helpful to define 'commercial failure'. In the sense that it sold a lot of units, it is a success; in the sense that it made any money for the company which produced it, it is a failure. So, it could be taken different ways depending on how the term is defined.

Shared404 4y ago

I also fall into this category. Oculus without facebook would have probably sold me multiple pieces of hardware right now. With Facebook however, I'll never touch the stuff.

nickthegreek 4y ago

While I completely agree with you. I think it’s important to point out that if it wasn’t sold by Facebook, it would be 2.5x the cost and then most people wouldn’t touch it as it would be too big of an investment.

bee_rider 4y ago

Yea it is a device that goes on your face, puts cameras in your room, and creates a pseudo-reality for you. Who in their right mind would trust Facebook with that?

WA 4y ago
The millions of people who put microphones from Amazon or Google in their homes.
- zem 4y ago
  in my experience, even those people tend not to trust facebook
- shapefrog 4y ago
  That simply demonstrates how low a regard people have for facebook.
- taylorius 4y ago
  No no, we're looking for people "in their right mind"