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This does not take away from the parent's point. You need to trust something, yes; we just don't trust Google in particular in that whole chain of trust.
by yazzku 4y ago
This does not take away from the parent's point. You need to trust something, yes; we just don't trust Google in particular in that whole chain of trust.
- scarface74 4y agoIt does take away from their point because they aren’t willing to trust Apple. It goes back to you have to trust someone.
- mort96 4y agoI haven't said I'm not willing to trust Apple. The Apple example is included exactly because you have to trust Apple, whether they use E2EE or not, so E2EE doesn't make a difference and is security theatre. E2EE has value in the case where it (at least in principle) allows you to remove something from the list of trusted entities. Signal on the desktop is one such case, where E2EE lets us avoid trusting the Signal organisation.
- scarface74 4y agoI’m not trying to protect myself from Apple. Apple doesn’t have a reason to lie. I want to protect myself from the police. I trust Apple much more than I trust law enforcement. I found that it could remain secret for too long if Apple were forced to compromise its encryption. Besides, they can afford better lawyers than Signal.