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There was a previous comment about the "native population" that is now marked dead that I wanted to respond to. The commentator really needs to read Defoe's "Tr

There was a previous comment about the "native population" that is now marked dead that I wanted to respond to. The commentator really needs to read Defoe's "True Born Englishman". I offer a quote that is a little longer than the usual given: The silent nations undistinguished fall, And Englishman's the common name for all. Fate jumbled them together, God knows how; Whate'er they were, they're true-born English now. The wonder which remains is at our pride, To value that which all wise men deride. For Englishmen to boast of generation, Cancels their knowledge, and lampoons the nation. A true-born Englishman's a contradiction, In speech an irony, in fact a fiction.

rthalr 4y ago
This poem from 1701 defends a foreign born king: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True-Born_Englishman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True-Born_Englishman It has nothing to do with multiple large ethnic groups that tend to cause tension in the long run, see Israel and Donbas for example.
- revertmean 4y ago
  The entirety of the poem is literally about the influx of multiple large ethnic groups into England! Read it! https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/true-born-englishman https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/true-born-englishman Another quote: Your Roman-Saxon-Danish-Norman English. The great invading Norman let us know What conquerors in after-times might do. To ev'ry musketeer he brought to town, He gave the lands which never were his own. When first the English crown he did obtain, He did not send his Dutchmen home again.
- DiscoDays 4y ago
  > It has nothing to do with multiple large ethnic groups that tend to cause tension in the long run, see Israel and Donbas for example. Please elaborate. As somebody from the East of Ukraine (and, incidentally, as someone who lived in Israel for some years too), I am curious what I am supposed to learn about ethnic tensions from these two examples.
- astrange 4y ago
  You don't have any cultural power if you're worried about that. Let someone into America and they're eating cheeseburgers and driving a pickup truck in 5 years flat. It's impossible to avoid becoming an American.

rthalr 4y ago

This poem from 1701 defends a foreign born king: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True-Born_Englishman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True-Born_Englishman It has nothing to do with multiple large ethnic groups that tend to cause tension in the long run, see Israel and Donbas for example.

revertmean 4y ago
The entirety of the poem is literally about the influx of multiple large ethnic groups into England! Read it! https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/true-born-englishman https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/true-born-englishman Another quote: Your Roman-Saxon-Danish-Norman English. The great invading Norman let us know What conquerors in after-times might do. To ev'ry musketeer he brought to town, He gave the lands which never were his own. When first the English crown he did obtain, He did not send his Dutchmen home again.
DiscoDays 4y ago
> It has nothing to do with multiple large ethnic groups that tend to cause tension in the long run, see Israel and Donbas for example. Please elaborate. As somebody from the East of Ukraine (and, incidentally, as someone who lived in Israel for some years too), I am curious what I am supposed to learn about ethnic tensions from these two examples.
astrange 4y ago
You don't have any cultural power if you're worried about that. Let someone into America and they're eating cheeseburgers and driving a pickup truck in 5 years flat. It's impossible to avoid becoming an American.