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Hadn't Starmer already replaced Corbyn by the last election? I don't think you can blame this on him. I don't think he's really the most unpopular element of La

by jrsj 4y ago

Hadn't Starmer already replaced Corbyn by the last election? I don't think you can blame this on him. I don't think he's really the most unpopular element of Labour either. Even after most media was slandering him as an "antisemite" and all that other garbage because neoliberals have captured all of the institutions in the UK.

petesergeant 4y ago
> Hadn't Starmer already replaced Corbyn by the last election? No.
- jrsj 4y ago
  Yep, you're right. I guess all that felt longer ago than it actually was
ogogmad 4y ago
The accusations were partly based on him cosying up with terrorists, from Hamas, Iran, etc. Is it too much to ask that a candidate for Prime Minister should respect the Rule of Law? There's also his support for Chavez/Maduro, his suicidally naive pacifism which helps the enemy, etc. Oh, and the episode with the mural, where he was too stupid to understand why a picture of fat people with hooked noses oppressing "the workers" would be offensive to a certain group. And what kind of adult sees the world in that way anyway? [edit] Whatever. Downvote me. You people will never win in the real world.
- jodrellblank 4y ago
  Boris Johnson met ex-KGB oligarch and made his son a member of the House of Lords[1] He said "let the bodies pile high" about his plan for COVID, a plan which ended up killing ~100,000 people.[2][2.5] > "Oh, and the episode with the mural, where he was too stupid to understand why a picture of fat people with hooked noses oppressing "the workers" would be offensive to a certain group." Is the certain group Jews? Were they offended by Boris Johnson's book with rude Jewish stereotypes?[3] Or his other racist public writings?[4] > "Is it too much to ask that a candidate for Prime Minister should respect the Rule of Law?" Is it too much to ask that the actual Prime Minster respect the law? Partygate, for example[5] What's that saying "with Conservatives, every accusation is a confession". [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421 [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confirms-johnson-said-let-bodies-pile-high-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confi... [2.5] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/ons-figures-show-uk-passed-100000-covid-deaths-by-7-january https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/ons-figures-sh... [3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-book-jews-control-media-general-election-a9239346.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race [5] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60124162 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60124162
  - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
    Is the goal here to make Corbyn look good by comparison to Johnson? The median voter seems to think they are both unfit to lead, so it’s probably not an effective argument.
    - jodrellblank 4y ago
      The goal is to refuse to let Conservatives leave that kind of spin uncontested. Everything the comment accused Corbyn of doing leading to "you people will never win in the real world" was done by BoJo, and it didn't stop him winning in the real world.
      - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
        Some of the stuff you listed happened after Johnson won (or came to light after his victory), and before he resigned in disgrace, so doesn’t particularly serve the point you are making.
        gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
        he wrote Seventy Two Virgins (the book having a character who loved money, had a hocked nose and jewish name) in 2004. he continuously wrote racist, sexist and homophobic comments in his articles since. His relationship with Jennifer Arcuri and public spending implications was out before 2019. It was all out in the public domain. It was the media's jobs to ignore this and pretend the main issue was one case where Corbyn liked a photo on facebook that he later claimed he hadn't paid enough attention to and apologised for (Johnson has never apologised or been called on to apologise)
        fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
        I haven’t looked into this question before, but it’s fascinating to compare the second-hand characterizations of what Johnson has apologized for with his direct quotes: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-piccaninnies-letterbox-apology-b1884677.html?amp https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson...
- gjm11 4y ago
  Downvoted for (1) complaining about downvotes and (2) "you people".

by jrsj 4y ago

petesergeant 4y ago

> Hadn't Starmer already replaced Corbyn by the last election? No.

jrsj 4y ago
Yep, you're right. I guess all that felt longer ago than it actually was

ogogmad 4y ago

The accusations were partly based on him cosying up with terrorists, from Hamas, Iran, etc. Is it too much to ask that a candidate for Prime Minister should respect the Rule of Law? There's also his support for Chavez/Maduro, his suicidally naive pacifism which helps the enemy, etc. Oh, and the episode with the mural, where he was too stupid to understand why a picture of fat people with hooked noses oppressing "the workers" would be offensive to a certain group. And what kind of adult sees the world in that way anyway? [edit] Whatever. Downvote me. You people will never win in the real world.

jodrellblank 4y ago
Boris Johnson met ex-KGB oligarch and made his son a member of the House of Lords[1] He said "let the bodies pile high" about his plan for COVID, a plan which ended up killing ~100,000 people.[2][2.5] > "Oh, and the episode with the mural, where he was too stupid to understand why a picture of fat people with hooked noses oppressing "the workers" would be offensive to a certain group." Is the certain group Jews? Were they offended by Boris Johnson's book with rude Jewish stereotypes?[3] Or his other racist public writings?[4] > "Is it too much to ask that a candidate for Prime Minister should respect the Rule of Law?" Is it too much to ask that the actual Prime Minster respect the law? Partygate, for example[5] What's that saying "with Conservatives, every accusation is a confession". [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421 [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confirms-johnson-said-let-bodies-pile-high-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pms-former-adviser-confi... [2.5] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/ons-figures-show-uk-passed-100000-covid-deaths-by-7-january https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/ons-figures-sh... [3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-book-jews-control-media-general-election-a9239346.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson... [4] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race [5] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60124162 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60124162
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
  Is the goal here to make Corbyn look good by comparison to Johnson? The median voter seems to think they are both unfit to lead, so it’s probably not an effective argument.
  - jodrellblank 4y ago
    The goal is to refuse to let Conservatives leave that kind of spin uncontested. Everything the comment accused Corbyn of doing leading to "you people will never win in the real world" was done by BoJo, and it didn't stop him winning in the real world.
    - fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
      Some of the stuff you listed happened after Johnson won (or came to light after his victory), and before he resigned in disgrace, so doesn’t particularly serve the point you are making.
      - gghhzzgghhzz 4y ago
        he wrote Seventy Two Virgins (the book having a character who loved money, had a hocked nose and jewish name) in 2004. he continuously wrote racist, sexist and homophobic comments in his articles since. His relationship with Jennifer Arcuri and public spending implications was out before 2019. It was all out in the public domain. It was the media's jobs to ignore this and pretend the main issue was one case where Corbyn liked a photo on facebook that he later claimed he hadn't paid enough attention to and apologised for (Johnson has never apologised or been called on to apologise)
        fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago
        I haven’t looked into this question before, but it’s fascinating to compare the second-hand characterizations of what Johnson has apologized for with his direct quotes: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-piccaninnies-letterbox-apology-b1884677.html?amp https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson...
gjm11 4y ago
Downvoted for (1) complaining about downvotes and (2) "you people".