5 ms·

I loathe applications that put controls all over the title bar. The title bar is supposed to be a mostly empty expanse that you can grab with a mouse. Now it's

I loathe applications that put controls all over the title bar. The title bar is supposed to be a mostly empty expanse that you can grab with a mouse. Now it's littered with controls, and I can hardly bring windows to focus or move them around without accidentally searching something or confirming something.

phkahler 4y ago
+100 couldn't agree more. And it's not a rational decision, it's a UI trend.
sovnade 4y ago
Agreed - especially if I'm remoted into a box and not necessarily running a full-resolution screen. Bad UI design is magnified when you're at 1024x768.
- aragilar 4y ago
  I find it somewhat ironic given current GNOME that when I was choosing between GNOME 2 or KDE 3 back in the day, GNOME 2 won as bits wouldn't float off my screen...
davet91 4y ago
With GTK you can at least drag the window by grabbing controls in the titlebar.
drdo 4y ago
At least on gnome you can drag or resize a window from anywhere by holding Super.
- nine_k 4y ago
  And you can, of course, reassign that key. Resizing takes grabbing an edge though.
  - tadfisher 4y ago
    Alt+drag by default, but I remap it to super in dconf.
kroltan 4y ago
I used to agree, then I moved to Linux (KDE specifically) and found out I could set my DE up so Super+LMB anywhere on a window moves it, and Super+RMB resizes it, it's is way more convenient, I haven't found myself using the title bar any more.
- tmdh 4y ago
  But using the title bar is what most of us are used to.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/
- Sakos 4y ago
  Discoverability rears its head. I don't see how moving that functionality into some obscure button combination is better than obvious behavior.
  - kroltan 4y ago
    I'm not advocating for this to become the default functionality across the world for everyone, it's definitely very opt-in. In that case you don't need discoverability for something you set up yourself. It's also very fun to play with when using the Wobbly Windows effect, you can stretch them in different ways depending on where exactly you picked the window up from.
- iso1631 4y ago
  I have Alt-LMB for moving, but that all falls to pot when I remote into another machine -- alt-lmb moves my rdp/vnc/browser, not the one in the screen I'm connected to.
- layer8 4y ago
  Title bars also serve to more quickly recognize where windows are. If every application fills up the title bar with different stuff, it becomes harder to “parse” where windows are on the screen. There is an inherent benefit in windows having uniform “chrome”.
Sakos 4y ago
It annoys me particularly when I want to move a Firefox window. I have to find that one tiny spot that still allows me to move the thing.
- doublepg23 4y ago
  I was under the impression this was controllable.

phkahler 4y ago

+100 couldn't agree more. And it's not a rational decision, it's a UI trend.

sovnade 4y ago

Agreed - especially if I'm remoted into a box and not necessarily running a full-resolution screen. Bad UI design is magnified when you're at 1024x768.

aragilar 4y ago
I find it somewhat ironic given current GNOME that when I was choosing between GNOME 2 or KDE 3 back in the day, GNOME 2 won as bits wouldn't float off my screen...

davet91 4y ago

With GTK you can at least drag the window by grabbing controls in the titlebar.

drdo 4y ago

At least on gnome you can drag or resize a window from anywhere by holding Super.

nine_k 4y ago
And you can, of course, reassign that key. Resizing takes grabbing an edge though.
- tadfisher 4y ago
  Alt+drag by default, but I remap it to super in dconf.

kroltan 4y ago

I used to agree, then I moved to Linux (KDE specifically) and found out I could set my DE up so Super+LMB anywhere on a window moves it, and Super+RMB resizes it, it's is way more convenient, I haven't found myself using the title bar any more.

tmdh 4y ago
But using the title bar is what most of us are used to.
justsomehnguy 4y ago
https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/
Sakos 4y ago
Discoverability rears its head. I don't see how moving that functionality into some obscure button combination is better than obvious behavior.
- kroltan 4y ago
  I'm not advocating for this to become the default functionality across the world for everyone, it's definitely very opt-in. In that case you don't need discoverability for something you set up yourself. It's also very fun to play with when using the Wobbly Windows effect, you can stretch them in different ways depending on where exactly you picked the window up from.
iso1631 4y ago
I have Alt-LMB for moving, but that all falls to pot when I remote into another machine -- alt-lmb moves my rdp/vnc/browser, not the one in the screen I'm connected to.
layer8 4y ago
Title bars also serve to more quickly recognize where windows are. If every application fills up the title bar with different stuff, it becomes harder to “parse” where windows are on the screen. There is an inherent benefit in windows having uniform “chrome”.

Sakos 4y ago

It annoys me particularly when I want to move a Firefox window. I have to find that one tiny spot that still allows me to move the thing.

doublepg23 4y ago
I was under the impression this was controllable.