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xtian 4y ago
I think it was closer to 10 billion actually
medo-bear 4y ago
very insensitive to all the nazis he killed
- mpweiher 4y ago
  That's not counting the Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet...
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    time magazine person of the year '39 '42 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)
    - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
      Time PotY is not an endorsement. Several times they've given it to what you would call "influential villains."
    - mpweiher 4y ago
      Guess who was man of the year in 1938? https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/19/fact-check-hitler-time-magazine-man-year-1938-not-honor/8149799002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/19/fact...
      - medo-bear 4y ago
        america's fascion sense has always been top knotch
        mpweiher 4y ago
        Wrong
        medo-bear 4y ago
        what's wrong?
aebtebeten 4y ago
a) IIRC, the slogan was "Stalin Brutally Optimises" b) non-hackers pick names in hopes of glorification by reference; hackers pick names that are pejorative: eg git Когда называть вещи, щепки летят.
civopsec 4y ago
Do you have something to comment about the language, though?
gumby 4y ago
Stalin — man of steel — was his nom de guerre, just as many people are (or at least that was long the convention) referred to by their usernames. The term is used quasi-ironically on this very site, when people say they will “steelman” an argument. And there are many other people born with that name in various languages, such as Stahlman or, notably around here, Stallman. I’m not to trying to defend one of the most brutal dictators in history, but since you’re the one who raised the onomastic issue…
- 082349872349872 4y ago
  იოსებ სტალინი seems to have had a good education, despite having had the kind of early family life which makes for either bitter revolutionaries or slow, steady, drinking. I wonder if his choice of nom de guerre had been a deliberate 20th century rejection of Plato's {gold, silver, iron, brass} men in the Republic? https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0168:book=3:section=415a&highlight=silver%2Cgold https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1... (compare the meritocracy espoused here and in following sections with that described by Goldstein in 1984 ... and we can be certain EA Blair had read the Republic)
  - gumby 4y ago
    As an old Etonian he certainly would have read it.
moloch-hai 4y ago
4 million just in Ukraine. (All this is pre-WWII.) How many of 30M Soviets died because the whole officer corps was executed just shy of WWII? Or because all military assets were poised at the border, easily bypassed, not defending cities? The first actual census in USSR came up 15M "short", but it is unknown how many were killed, vs. previously overcounted because of weird czarist policy inherited from Mongol rule: peasants who escaped were still counted against a town's tax obligations. Making nukes whose spiritual descendants will be handed over to Putin's insane successors, as Russian Federation splinters, might do in the whole world.
dang 4y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34027264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34027264.

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xtian 4y ago

I think it was closer to 10 billion actually

medo-bear 4y ago

very insensitive to all the nazis he killed

mpweiher 4y ago
That's not counting the Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet...
- medo-bear 4y ago
  time magazine person of the year '39 '42 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    Time PotY is not an endorsement. Several times they've given it to what you would call "influential villains."
  - mpweiher 4y ago
    Guess who was man of the year in 1938? https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/19/fact-check-hitler-time-magazine-man-year-1938-not-honor/8149799002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/19/fact...
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      america's fascion sense has always been top knotch
      - mpweiher 4y ago
        Wrong
        medo-bear 4y ago
        what's wrong?

aebtebeten 4y ago

a) IIRC, the slogan was "Stalin Brutally Optimises" b) non-hackers pick names in hopes of glorification by reference; hackers pick names that are pejorative: eg git Когда называть вещи, щепки летят.

civopsec 4y ago

Do you have something to comment about the language, though?

gumby 4y ago

Stalin — man of steel — was his nom de guerre, just as many people are (or at least that was long the convention) referred to by their usernames. The term is used quasi-ironically on this very site, when people say they will “steelman” an argument. And there are many other people born with that name in various languages, such as Stahlman or, notably around here, Stallman. I’m not to trying to defend one of the most brutal dictators in history, but since you’re the one who raised the onomastic issue…

082349872349872 4y ago
იოსებ სტალინი seems to have had a good education, despite having had the kind of early family life which makes for either bitter revolutionaries or slow, steady, drinking. I wonder if his choice of nom de guerre had been a deliberate 20th century rejection of Plato's {gold, silver, iron, brass} men in the Republic? https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0168:book=3:section=415a&highlight=silver%2Cgold https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1... (compare the meritocracy espoused here and in following sections with that described by Goldstein in 1984 ... and we can be certain EA Blair had read the Republic)
- gumby 4y ago
  As an old Etonian he certainly would have read it.

moloch-hai 4y ago

4 million just in Ukraine. (All this is pre-WWII.) How many of 30M Soviets died because the whole officer corps was executed just shy of WWII? Or because all military assets were poised at the border, easily bypassed, not defending cities? The first actual census in USSR came up 15M "short", but it is unknown how many were killed, vs. previously overcounted because of weird czarist policy inherited from Mongol rule: peasants who escaped were still counted against a town's tax obligations. Making nukes whose spiritual descendants will be handed over to Putin's insane successors, as Russian Federation splinters, might do in the whole world.

dang 4y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34027264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34027264.