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As an early winForms developer how the hell did Microsoft lose its way so badly in terms of building an app on windows? Almost anyone could build a data bound

As an early winForms developer how the hell did Microsoft lose its way so badly in terms of building an app on windows? Almost anyone could build a data bound app ages ago - then they burnt this all on a WPF / UPF / silver light etc bonfire. Back to the electron apps I go

pipeline_peak 4y ago
Because development firms don’t want to invest everything in one OS / platform.
cjbgkagh 4y ago
Microsoft steadily replaced their staff with increasingly dumber and more complaint developers. I was shocked with how bad it was when I worked there and I’ve only seen it get worse since. A lot of the damage was done by Steven Sinofsky and his vicious war with Dev Div. People wonder why the company hasn’t failed yet, it’s due to the incredible power of inertia. But even inertia runs out eventually - it’s a slow process but it is happening.
- type0 4y ago
  Lobbying (bribing?) politicians is why they won't fail. They are like IBM, MS wouldn't hesitate to collaborate with Nazis if they have to. They surveil population on behalf of governments, existence of Windows 10 China Government Edition is evidence to why all Windows is essentially spyware.
  - cjbgkagh 4y ago
    I don’t disagree but I would consider MS turning into the modern day IBM to be a failure.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  Now Dev Div feels like it's been divested. Since the last year I've been thinking its time to go for me too, but I still have a few dependencies.
MangoCoffee 4y ago
visual studio = WPF app
tester756 4y ago
what do you mean? you still can
- yCombLinks 4y ago
  In the same way that you can still build visual basic apps. They didn't choose an ecosystem to keep supported and let all of their ui frameworks deprecate.
tailspin2019 4y ago
Yeah it’s pretty surprising that traditional desktop apps is currently the weakest part of the .NET ecosystem. They recently launched MAUI, their new new new cross platform UI framework and it feels very unfinished and “rushed out the door”. Meanwhile they are announcing end of life dates for what MAUI supposedly replaces (eg Xamarin). So the choice currently is a promising but very unfinished brand new cross platform UI framework - which I would argue is entirely not production ready - or the old approach which now has a ticking expiration clock on it. I too end up back on Electron by default at the moment.

pipeline_peak 4y ago

Because development firms don’t want to invest everything in one OS / platform.

cjbgkagh 4y ago

Microsoft steadily replaced their staff with increasingly dumber and more complaint developers. I was shocked with how bad it was when I worked there and I’ve only seen it get worse since. A lot of the damage was done by Steven Sinofsky and his vicious war with Dev Div. People wonder why the company hasn’t failed yet, it’s due to the incredible power of inertia. But even inertia runs out eventually - it’s a slow process but it is happening.

type0 4y ago
Lobbying (bribing?) politicians is why they won't fail. They are like IBM, MS wouldn't hesitate to collaborate with Nazis if they have to. They surveil population on behalf of governments, existence of Windows 10 China Government Edition is evidence to why all Windows is essentially spyware.
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  I don’t disagree but I would consider MS turning into the modern day IBM to be a failure.
lostmsu 4y ago
Now Dev Div feels like it's been divested. Since the last year I've been thinking its time to go for me too, but I still have a few dependencies.

MangoCoffee 4y ago

visual studio = WPF app

tester756 4y ago

what do you mean? you still can

yCombLinks 4y ago
In the same way that you can still build visual basic apps. They didn't choose an ecosystem to keep supported and let all of their ui frameworks deprecate.

tailspin2019 4y ago

Yeah it’s pretty surprising that traditional desktop apps is currently the weakest part of the .NET ecosystem. They recently launched MAUI, their new new new cross platform UI framework and it feels very unfinished and “rushed out the door”. Meanwhile they are announcing end of life dates for what MAUI supposedly replaces (eg Xamarin). So the choice currently is a promising but very unfinished brand new cross platform UI framework - which I would argue is entirely not production ready - or the old approach which now has a ticking expiration clock on it. I too end up back on Electron by default at the moment.