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So, jokes are effectively single-use Turing tests?

by ilammy 4y ago

schaefer 4y ago
I can’t wait for a world in which every company has a comedy department.
- exceptione 4y ago
  They do, but it is usually abbreviated to C-suite. / sorry, this was an easy one.
  - thombat 4y ago
    So the CTO is the Comedy(Tragedy) Orifice. I only wish this had been explained to me earlier in my career...
an1sotropy 4y ago
I was naively hoping ChatGPT would totally whiff all the joke explanations, but it got uncomfortably close often enough that I don't think this is will work like a Turing test. Future versions won't be any worse at this skill, at least.
- ilammy 4y ago
  Hence single-use. Like in that koan about checking for your password on the internet. Humans gotta make up new jokes, while AIs can only rehash the one they know. At least, until AIs generalize the concept of humor, categorize 17 essential joke structures, and amass big enough corpus to generate infinite supply of memes. Then the concept of joke as we know it will cease to exist and lose its meaning. But humans can make up something new. To be fair, ChatGPT got caught when trying to explain jokes, so that might be used. But I personally think that the best test for humanity is something that cannot be put on the internet, which we humans work increasingly hard to eradicate.
  - takd 4y ago
    Which koan is that?
    - ilammy 4y ago
      An apocryphal one from the Russian-speaking corner of the Internet. I thought it was in the classic Rootless Root, but turns out I misremembered and it’s a different thing. I tracked down the source if you want to read more: [1][2][3][4] (some humor might be lost in translation). ---- A sysadmin struggles to choose a strong password for his RADIUS server. He seeks advice from Master Ha Ker Noose. “Master, in your opinion, is password ‘诺曼底登陆’ a strong one?” “No”, said Master Ha. “For it is a common dictionary word.” “But it’s not in the dictionary...” “‘Dictionary’ means the wordlists used for brute-force attacks. Such lists are compiled from all combinations of letters and symbols ever mentioned on the Internet.” “Okay... How about ‘шьзщыышиду’?” “I doubt it. From the dictionary.” “But how?! it’s—” “Just google it. See for yourself.” The sysadmin swiftly navigates the Web. “You are absolutely right, Master.” After some time, the sysadmin comes back: “Master, I have managed to generate a good password which is not present in any dictionary.” Master Ha nods with approval. “I checked in Google”, the sysadmin goes on. “This combination does not exist on the Internet.” “Now it does.” ---- [1] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16359.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16359.html [2] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16525.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16525.html [3] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/59867.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/59867.html [4] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/110897.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/110897.html
dymk 4y ago
Then plenty of humans would fail this Turing Test

So, jokes are effectively single-use Turing tests?

by ilammy 4y ago

So, jokes are effectively single-use Turing tests?

schaefer 4y ago

I can’t wait for a world in which every company has a comedy department.

exceptione 4y ago
They do, but it is usually abbreviated to C-suite. / sorry, this was an easy one.
- thombat 4y ago
  So the CTO is the Comedy(Tragedy) Orifice. I only wish this had been explained to me earlier in my career...

an1sotropy 4y ago

I was naively hoping ChatGPT would totally whiff all the joke explanations, but it got uncomfortably close often enough that I don't think this is will work like a Turing test. Future versions won't be any worse at this skill, at least.

ilammy 4y ago
Hence single-use. Like in that koan about checking for your password on the internet. Humans gotta make up new jokes, while AIs can only rehash the one they know. At least, until AIs generalize the concept of humor, categorize 17 essential joke structures, and amass big enough corpus to generate infinite supply of memes. Then the concept of joke as we know it will cease to exist and lose its meaning. But humans can make up something new. To be fair, ChatGPT got caught when trying to explain jokes, so that might be used. But I personally think that the best test for humanity is something that cannot be put on the internet, which we humans work increasingly hard to eradicate.
- takd 4y ago
  Which koan is that?
  - ilammy 4y ago
    An apocryphal one from the Russian-speaking corner of the Internet. I thought it was in the classic Rootless Root, but turns out I misremembered and it’s a different thing. I tracked down the source if you want to read more: [1][2][3][4] (some humor might be lost in translation). ---- A sysadmin struggles to choose a strong password for his RADIUS server. He seeks advice from Master Ha Ker Noose. “Master, in your opinion, is password ‘诺曼底登陆’ a strong one?” “No”, said Master Ha. “For it is a common dictionary word.” “But it’s not in the dictionary...” “‘Dictionary’ means the wordlists used for brute-force attacks. Such lists are compiled from all combinations of letters and symbols ever mentioned on the Internet.” “Okay... How about ‘шьзщыышиду’?” “I doubt it. From the dictionary.” “But how?! it’s—” “Just google it. See for yourself.” The sysadmin swiftly navigates the Web. “You are absolutely right, Master.” After some time, the sysadmin comes back: “Master, I have managed to generate a good password which is not present in any dictionary.” Master Ha nods with approval. “I checked in Google”, the sysadmin goes on. “This combination does not exist on the Internet.” “Now it does.” ---- [1] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16359.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16359.html [2] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16525.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/16525.html [3] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/59867.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/59867.html [4] https://infowatch.livejournal.com/110897.html https://infowatch.livejournal.com/110897.html

dymk 4y ago

Then plenty of humans would fail this Turing Test