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The same thing is happening to NZ healthcare, i personally welcome means testing for elective surgeries. A lot of boomers needing healthcare here are sitting on

The same thing is happening to NZ healthcare, i personally welcome means testing for elective surgeries. A lot of boomers needing healthcare here are sitting on significant gains from holding property, a boomer was recently complaining to me about his hip op being delayed twice through public, he owns a big $1m house, $2m in rentals and has $500k in a savings account, he could easily get it done this week with his own money.

VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
You're saying that if you're in a high enough tax bracket then you should pay the most to support everyone else's healthcare but have no right to access it yourself.
- wolongong942 4y ago
  Property has been a tax loophole in NZ for decades, so they haven't necessarily ever been in a high tax bracket.
- tuatoru 4y ago
  No, gp is saying that if you have choices, you should be deprioritised in the queue for limited public resources. Edit: I took out a loan to have cataract surgery. I don't understand why someone would sit idle and crippled if they have the means to do something about it. You don't win by dying with all the money.
- virtual_void 4y ago
  He’s clearly not saying that though. The statement was that a wealthy person was complaining about having to wait. Everyone else is also having to wait. They could speed things up by paying privately if they so wish. Also the wealthy should have a larger tax burden in absolute terms compared to the less well off. I say this as someone how is very fortunate - I don’t think we are taxed enough to make things sane and fair.
  - VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
    > means testing for elective surgeries this means they shouldn't be allowed to access the healthcare that they're paying for.
    - virtual_void 4y ago
      The amount you pay in is not the amount you are entitled to. It’s about having a better, fairer society. It is interesting though because it’s hard to draw a line between elective stuff that should be covered vs what should not. Breast implants for cancer survivors who had mastectomy? Sure. What about people who have self image trouble? Harder to draw the line. Some people might be having serious mental anguish that diminishes health in turn. In general i think there needs to be limits on what public healthcare pays for. I don’t know how to draw that line. It is by no means certain that a wealthy person can or should have the public purse pay for elective surgery. It feels like you are reacting as if it’s cut and dry that since they paid in they are entitled to everything, which sort of defeats the purpose of this sort of distribution of health / wealth.

VWWHFSfQ 4y ago

You're saying that if you're in a high enough tax bracket then you should pay the most to support everyone else's healthcare but have no right to access it yourself.

wolongong942 4y ago
Property has been a tax loophole in NZ for decades, so they haven't necessarily ever been in a high tax bracket.
tuatoru 4y ago
No, gp is saying that if you have choices, you should be deprioritised in the queue for limited public resources. Edit: I took out a loan to have cataract surgery. I don't understand why someone would sit idle and crippled if they have the means to do something about it. You don't win by dying with all the money.
virtual_void 4y ago
He’s clearly not saying that though. The statement was that a wealthy person was complaining about having to wait. Everyone else is also having to wait. They could speed things up by paying privately if they so wish. Also the wealthy should have a larger tax burden in absolute terms compared to the less well off. I say this as someone how is very fortunate - I don’t think we are taxed enough to make things sane and fair.
- VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
  > means testing for elective surgeries this means they shouldn't be allowed to access the healthcare that they're paying for.
  - virtual_void 4y ago
    The amount you pay in is not the amount you are entitled to. It’s about having a better, fairer society. It is interesting though because it’s hard to draw a line between elective stuff that should be covered vs what should not. Breast implants for cancer survivors who had mastectomy? Sure. What about people who have self image trouble? Harder to draw the line. Some people might be having serious mental anguish that diminishes health in turn. In general i think there needs to be limits on what public healthcare pays for. I don’t know how to draw that line. It is by no means certain that a wealthy person can or should have the public purse pay for elective surgery. It feels like you are reacting as if it’s cut and dry that since they paid in they are entitled to everything, which sort of defeats the purpose of this sort of distribution of health / wealth.