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Does anyone else feel that gtk4 adwaita looks significantly worse than gtk3? they seem to have simply removed the gradients and it just looks half baked with o

Does anyone else feel that gtk4 adwaita looks significantly worse than gtk3? they seem to have simply removed the gradients and it just looks half baked with only flat colours

jgb1984 4y ago
For me gtk2 is the best one. Everything that came after was both uglier and less usable.
- Gualdrapo 4y ago
  At the time of the 2->3 GNOME transition, I agreed it needed some overhaul and started looking dated (the default&vanilla GNOME install, that is). But there were many decisions they took I could not understand: - The applications-places-system menu. As said in other post the other day, it was so clever to have all the stuff in your computer categorized in those three categories. You knew at first sight, even if you've never ever used GNOME2 before, where to send your mouse when reaching something, it wasn't a guess game like in Mac or that cram-everything-in-one-button like the Windows start menu - not to talk about the 'moving around your mouse through the whole screen to launch an app' like GNOME3/4 itself. - Clearlooks was the pinnacle of theming in Linux. Easily readable/scanneable and beautiful by default, 'themeable' up to the tiniest detail with a readable CSS-like syntax (I'm fuzzy on the details but seem to recall it wasn't a feature exclusive of Clearlooks). I concede Adwaita inherited visual inspiration from Clearlooks, but now with GNOME4 they decided to ditch it altogether. For some reason. - Technological aspects aside which I won't talk about because you people know much more than me on that, but restricting the user to customize their GNOME install was an double-edge sword they seem didn't thought much through. GNOME2 had an almost perfect balance between simplicity and customization capabilities; whereas with GNOME3 upwards it is up to devs decide many things (and it seems those decisions are based much on their criteria rather than their users...). That brought the unfortunate consequence of frustrating users with every unexpected change with releases, something didn't happened with GNOME2 (or maybe even before than that).
  - soulofmischief 4y ago
    Needing an untrusted user plugin to do basic things like display application tabs on the GNOME bar makes the entire project a nonstarter. I really appreciate team GNOME's commitment to wayland, but outside of that, they have released a completely unfinished product which pales in comparison to the feature set of its previous incarnation.
okasaki 4y ago
The entire graphical interface aesthetics/usability has been declining for decades now, on all platforms. Look at GTK1: https://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/images/shots/092/gnutellaNet-Stats-GTK1.png https://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/images/shots/092/gnutel... It looks good. Sharp fonts, good use of space, clearly recognizable widgets, application doesn't treat users like idiots. What do we have now? Fuzzy-ass fonts (except on phones where DPI>400), huge margins, barely recognizable widgets, GNOME applications written for people in comas.
- steve1977 4y ago
  For me personally, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP was probably peak UI design. Mac OS X Server/Rhapsody v, where they basically mixed NeXTSTEP and Mac OS 9, and early Mac OS X releases (before brushes metal) were also nice. All downhill from there… now get off my lawn! ;)
  - helf 4y ago
    Here here! I miss my NeXT (I used way beyond a reasonable length of time lol). Fantastic UI. So many modern UIs are so damn space inefficient. Drives me mad. It’s like designers think everyone is an 80yo with Parkinson’s and bad eyes. Massive screen waste; white space everywhere; blah blah. I hates it.
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      But but my whitespace! I really love low density interfaces. The new DB app manages to fully halve the number of connections on a screen compared to the old one. That’s progress!
- neongreen 4y ago
  I wonder.. has anybody tried training Stable Diffusion on GUIs? I'd love to play with it and perhaps see how GTK1 would look like with better font rendering, border-radius, a modern color palette, etc.
  - 4y ago
javier2 4y ago
I dont think so, no.

Does anyone else feel that gtk4 adwaita looks significantly worse than gtk3? they seem to have simply removed the gradients and it just looks half baked with only flat colours

jgb1984 4y ago

For me gtk2 is the best one. Everything that came after was both uglier and less usable.

Gualdrapo 4y ago
At the time of the 2->3 GNOME transition, I agreed it needed some overhaul and started looking dated (the default&vanilla GNOME install, that is). But there were many decisions they took I could not understand: - The applications-places-system menu. As said in other post the other day, it was so clever to have all the stuff in your computer categorized in those three categories. You knew at first sight, even if you've never ever used GNOME2 before, where to send your mouse when reaching something, it wasn't a guess game like in Mac or that cram-everything-in-one-button like the Windows start menu - not to talk about the 'moving around your mouse through the whole screen to launch an app' like GNOME3/4 itself. - Clearlooks was the pinnacle of theming in Linux. Easily readable/scanneable and beautiful by default, 'themeable' up to the tiniest detail with a readable CSS-like syntax (I'm fuzzy on the details but seem to recall it wasn't a feature exclusive of Clearlooks). I concede Adwaita inherited visual inspiration from Clearlooks, but now with GNOME4 they decided to ditch it altogether. For some reason. - Technological aspects aside which I won't talk about because you people know much more than me on that, but restricting the user to customize their GNOME install was an double-edge sword they seem didn't thought much through. GNOME2 had an almost perfect balance between simplicity and customization capabilities; whereas with GNOME3 upwards it is up to devs decide many things (and it seems those decisions are based much on their criteria rather than their users...). That brought the unfortunate consequence of frustrating users with every unexpected change with releases, something didn't happened with GNOME2 (or maybe even before than that).
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  Needing an untrusted user plugin to do basic things like display application tabs on the GNOME bar makes the entire project a nonstarter. I really appreciate team GNOME's commitment to wayland, but outside of that, they have released a completely unfinished product which pales in comparison to the feature set of its previous incarnation.

okasaki 4y ago

The entire graphical interface aesthetics/usability has been declining for decades now, on all platforms. Look at GTK1: https://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/images/shots/092/gnutellaNet-Stats-GTK1.png https://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/images/shots/092/gnutel... It looks good. Sharp fonts, good use of space, clearly recognizable widgets, application doesn't treat users like idiots. What do we have now? Fuzzy-ass fonts (except on phones where DPI>400), huge margins, barely recognizable widgets, GNOME applications written for people in comas.

steve1977 4y ago
For me personally, NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP was probably peak UI design. Mac OS X Server/Rhapsody v, where they basically mixed NeXTSTEP and Mac OS 9, and early Mac OS X releases (before brushes metal) were also nice. All downhill from there… now get off my lawn! ;)
- helf 4y ago
  Here here! I miss my NeXT (I used way beyond a reasonable length of time lol). Fantastic UI. So many modern UIs are so damn space inefficient. Drives me mad. It’s like designers think everyone is an 80yo with Parkinson’s and bad eyes. Massive screen waste; white space everywhere; blah blah. I hates it.
  - formerly_proven 4y ago
    But but my whitespace! I really love low density interfaces. The new DB app manages to fully halve the number of connections on a screen compared to the old one. That’s progress!
neongreen 4y ago
I wonder.. has anybody tried training Stable Diffusion on GUIs? I'd love to play with it and perhaps see how GTK1 would look like with better font rendering, border-radius, a modern color palette, etc.
- 4y ago

javier2 4y ago

I dont think so, no.