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I just cannot sign up for this vision of the future where people are eating plant protein meat and never cooking on an open flame and avoiding now… hot showers?

I just cannot sign up for this vision of the future where people are eating plant protein meat and never cooking on an open flame and avoiding now… hot showers? No thanks. Hard pass. This is all terrible.

marssaxman 4y ago
> No thanks. Hard pass. This is all terrible. Of course it sounds terrible, but is it more or less terrible than the collapse of civilization, which is what seems likely to happen as a result of climate instability and radical ecological changes, should we continue on our present course? "Hard pass" is a choice for the latter.
- encoderer 4y ago
  To me, no meat and cold showers is the collapse of civilization. Or at the very least, the start of it.
roninghost 4y ago
The autor has a nice article about not enough fires: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019/12/too-much-combustion-too-little-fire.html https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019/12/too-much-combustio...
wincy 4y ago
I’ve just given up on the guilt. I live near one of the largest rivers in the world. I’m surrounded by the most fertile farmland in the world. These may be problems for people that live in places that in retrospect aren’t great for human habitation, but not here. I think I’m going to buy myself a shower head with a removable water regulator for Christmas. I spent two weeks in hotels and my home shower feels terrible in comparison to that water pressure. Why do the hotels get to have objectively better showers than I do?
- encoderer 4y ago
  My favorite is the line “there is not enough grazing land in the world for people to eat as much meat as Americans and Europeans do” Well, there does seem to be enough land for the American and European cows. Other places will eat other things. Like they always have.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
    There aren't enough people in Australia for us all to eat the meat we produce. In 2019, Australia exported 76% of its total beef and veal production https://www.mla.com.au/about-mla/the-red-meat-industry/ https://www.mla.com.au/about-mla/the-red-meat-industry/

marssaxman 4y ago

> No thanks. Hard pass. This is all terrible. Of course it sounds terrible, but is it more or less terrible than the collapse of civilization, which is what seems likely to happen as a result of climate instability and radical ecological changes, should we continue on our present course? "Hard pass" is a choice for the latter.

encoderer 4y ago
To me, no meat and cold showers is the collapse of civilization. Or at the very least, the start of it.

roninghost 4y ago

The autor has a nice article about not enough fires: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019/12/too-much-combustion-too-little-fire.html https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2019/12/too-much-combustio...

wincy 4y ago

I’ve just given up on the guilt. I live near one of the largest rivers in the world. I’m surrounded by the most fertile farmland in the world. These may be problems for people that live in places that in retrospect aren’t great for human habitation, but not here. I think I’m going to buy myself a shower head with a removable water regulator for Christmas. I spent two weeks in hotels and my home shower feels terrible in comparison to that water pressure. Why do the hotels get to have objectively better showers than I do?

encoderer 4y ago
My favorite is the line “there is not enough grazing land in the world for people to eat as much meat as Americans and Europeans do” Well, there does seem to be enough land for the American and European cows. Other places will eat other things. Like they always have.
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y ago
  There aren't enough people in Australia for us all to eat the meat we produce. In 2019, Australia exported 76% of its total beef and veal production https://www.mla.com.au/about-mla/the-red-meat-industry/ https://www.mla.com.au/about-mla/the-red-meat-industry/