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> By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you... There are lots of blokes who like porn on T

> By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you... There are lots of blokes who like porn on Twitter and on Pornhub but to say that they're the same because of that would be an enormous stretch. > An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, No, Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Those two things, like Twitter and Pornhub, are not the same thing. > If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, Again, not the same. You can find what you want via search but apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. > that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? If you're on Grindr, can others find you too, and is that easier than on Twitter?

foldr 4y ago
> Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Sure, he didn’t give any details of how it would work, but it’s not that hard to imagine what kind of changes you’d make (e.g. automatic blocking of explicit images, stricter moderation of language on profiles…). This was just one paragraph of a thesis, so I’m not sure what your point is re the lack of details. > apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. Yes! That was exactly my point. Gay teens want to date just like straight teens do, but it’s less easy for them to find suitable people on regular social networks. >You can find what you want via search [on Snap] What makes you so sure? I assume you don’t spend your free time searching for gay teenagers in your neighborhood on Snapchat, so what is your basis for this assertion? > What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? I don’t know about twitter, but it’s certainly pretty high on Snapchat or Insta. A restricted version of Grindr could potentially impose much stricter limits on under 18s interacting with adults than any of the major social networks do.
- brigandish 4y ago
  > This was just one paragraph of a thesis, so I’m not sure what your point is re the lack of details. A thesis isn't somewhere anyone worries about needing to cut words to fit a limit, quite the opposite, and yet he leaves us hanging with something that sounds questionable. Much like his tweets, that one about getting a crying infant mixed up with the sound of porn comes to mind. Defending that is not a hill I'd like to die on. > > You can find what you want via search [on Snap] > What makes you so sure? Roth says so: > While gay youth-oriented chat rooms and social networking services were available in the early 2000s, these services have largely fallen by the wayside, in favor of general-purpose platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Snapchat. There's a reason why the majority of young gays are using those instead, just as the rest of us use general networks too. > > What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? > I don’t know about twitter, but it’s certainly pretty high on Snapchat or Insta. It seems the search works okay then. What is the relative chance you'll find a teenager vs an adult when searching for a teenager? (On a service that is for general users vs one stocked with over 18s) > A restricted version of Grindr Just why? If I knew some straight kids that were finding it hard to date, my advice to them would not be "hey, perhaps you should try adult hookup apps", or upon finding out that children like to sneak into adult spaces "you know what, we should just make it safer for them". No, they should stay out of adult spaces and adults that argue for their introduction should be questioned as to what on Earth they are thinking. "You know that place where guys and gals go to meet?" "Like clubs?" "Yeah. You know that sometimes there's underage girls there" "Of course. Got to be careful." "You know what we should do to keep them safe, let them in!" Try saying that amongst any group of blokes I know and you'll get called a paedo immediately. Maybe jokingly, maybe not, but no one's writing a thesis about it and expecting to get away with it. Except for academics, apparently.
  - foldr 4y ago
    Youth clubs are a thing, no? So I think your analogy makes exactly the opposite of your intended point. We do provide analogues of adult clubs for young people so that they can meet each other in a safer environment. The thesis wasn’t about creating dating apps for queer teenagers, so that’s why he doesn’t say much on the subject. Remember that this paragraph was picked out by people desperately trolling for anything that could be used to smear him. You seem to suggest at several points that this thesis is entirely about young queer people (“no-one’s writing a thesis about it”), but you’ve been misled on that point. The rest of your post is frankly too much of a mess of mischaracterization to respond to. (To take only the most egregious example, I think you must recognize that Roth does not say that Snapchat is good for finding other queer people in one’s local area in the section you quote.) You’re becoming so oddly insistent on Snapchat’s utility as a location-aware queer hookup/dating app that you’re even undermining your own implied conspiracy theory. Why would Roth even care about luring young gay guys onto Grindr if he can find legions of them in his neighborhood on Snap? Snap already allows under 18s.

foldr 4y ago

> Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Sure, he didn’t give any details of how it would work, but it’s not that hard to imagine what kind of changes you’d make (e.g. automatic blocking of explicit images, stricter moderation of language on profiles…). This was just one paragraph of a thesis, so I’m not sure what your point is re the lack of details. > apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. Yes! That was exactly my point. Gay teens want to date just like straight teens do, but it’s less easy for them to find suitable people on regular social networks. >You can find what you want via search [on Snap] What makes you so sure? I assume you don’t spend your free time searching for gay teenagers in your neighborhood on Snapchat, so what is your basis for this assertion? > What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? I don’t know about twitter, but it’s certainly pretty high on Snapchat or Insta. A restricted version of Grindr could potentially impose much stricter limits on under 18s interacting with adults than any of the major social networks do.

brigandish 4y ago
> This was just one paragraph of a thesis, so I’m not sure what your point is re the lack of details. A thesis isn't somewhere anyone worries about needing to cut words to fit a limit, quite the opposite, and yet he leaves us hanging with something that sounds questionable. Much like his tweets, that one about getting a crying infant mixed up with the sound of porn comes to mind. Defending that is not a hill I'd like to die on. > > You can find what you want via search [on Snap] > What makes you so sure? Roth says so: > While gay youth-oriented chat rooms and social networking services were available in the early 2000s, these services have largely fallen by the wayside, in favor of general-purpose platforms like Twitter, Facebook, and Snapchat. There's a reason why the majority of young gays are using those instead, just as the rest of us use general networks too. > > What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? > I don’t know about twitter, but it’s certainly pretty high on Snapchat or Insta. It seems the search works okay then. What is the relative chance you'll find a teenager vs an adult when searching for a teenager? (On a service that is for general users vs one stocked with over 18s) > A restricted version of Grindr Just why? If I knew some straight kids that were finding it hard to date, my advice to them would not be "hey, perhaps you should try adult hookup apps", or upon finding out that children like to sneak into adult spaces "you know what, we should just make it safer for them". No, they should stay out of adult spaces and adults that argue for their introduction should be questioned as to what on Earth they are thinking. "You know that place where guys and gals go to meet?" "Like clubs?" "Yeah. You know that sometimes there's underage girls there" "Of course. Got to be careful." "You know what we should do to keep them safe, let them in!" Try saying that amongst any group of blokes I know and you'll get called a paedo immediately. Maybe jokingly, maybe not, but no one's writing a thesis about it and expecting to get away with it. Except for academics, apparently.
- foldr 4y ago
  Youth clubs are a thing, no? So I think your analogy makes exactly the opposite of your intended point. We do provide analogues of adult clubs for young people so that they can meet each other in a safer environment. The thesis wasn’t about creating dating apps for queer teenagers, so that’s why he doesn’t say much on the subject. Remember that this paragraph was picked out by people desperately trolling for anything that could be used to smear him. You seem to suggest at several points that this thesis is entirely about young queer people (“no-one’s writing a thesis about it”), but you’ve been misled on that point. The rest of your post is frankly too much of a mess of mischaracterization to respond to. (To take only the most egregious example, I think you must recognize that Roth does not say that Snapchat is good for finding other queer people in one’s local area in the section you quote.) You’re becoming so oddly insistent on Snapchat’s utility as a location-aware queer hookup/dating app that you’re even undermining your own implied conspiracy theory. Why would Roth even care about luring young gay guys onto Grindr if he can find legions of them in his neighborhood on Snap? Snap already allows under 18s.