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There's an odd new risk for startups: someone buys your company and then releases all the internal documents with hostile intent. The Twitter stuff that's come
by NelsonMinar 4y ago
There's an odd new risk for startups: someone buys your company and then releases all the internal documents with hostile intent. The Twitter stuff that's come out now has been pretty uninteresting, surprising and often basically telling a story of people doing the best job they could in difficult circumstances. But if you are at a small company consider what all could be acquired and used to defame your employees and mission.
- jacquesm 4y agoThe thing to really worry about is that someone like Musk has direct access to all of your DMs, including those of politicians the world over.
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- briandear 4y agoSomeone like Zuckerberg has access to your data as well. And what about the government having access to DMs? That’s far scarier. Has Snowden not taught us anything? We are only just now worried about this? Complaining about Musk without complaining about Zuckerberg or the government is just hypocrisy.
- dmix 4y agoHe means someone who doesn't share your political perspective. Not someone with actual threat of force. We haven't seen Twitter arbitrarily leak DMs yet. Even Matt Taibbi said they only have access to screenshots of admin interfaces directly related to their specific stories around uncritical FBI/DHS access, shadowbanning for questionable political purposes, and the whole Trump thing. It's far from the ideological free-for-all people are suggesting. But Elon has already shown he's willing to play dangerous games with his power. So far we haven't seen the FUDy stuff yet beyond the stupid new doxxing rule for which he's burned tons of good will. Nothing comes without costs.
- jacquesm 4y agoUntil they get hacked. The chances of which are going up by the day.
- dmix 4y agoInsider leaks would be a higher risks given Twitter is still in SF. Typically the public benefits from leaks and whistleblowers, right? Unless you mean purposeful 'hacks' with a specific agenda that only leaks private DMs of a select group? Yes, that would be bad. A hacker pulling off an exfiltration of the entire DB of any major tech company I'm very skeptical about that happening.
- jacquesm 4y ago> A hacker pulling off an exfiltration of the entire DB of any major tech company I'm very skeptical about that happening. Under normal circumstances I would agree, but after firing so many people I can't imagine that security at Twitter is still priority #1, they likely have trouble keeping the lights on.
- themitigating 4y agoThat's not hypocrisy at all.
- cocacola1 4y agoWe're eventually going to get to so many caveats and inclusions in sentences, it's going to be impossible to read.
- jacquesm 4y agoI guarantee that someone like Zuckerberg does not have access to my data. And the moment it became inevitable that Musk took over Twitter I deleted my account. And that was one of many reasons. The only two social media sites that I partake in are HN and up to Elons acquisition Twitter and that is because I had/have a fairly high degree of faith in their ability to at least try to do the right thing. With Musk, Zuckerberg and several others I have the conviction that given the opportunity that they will do the wrong thing. Would you bet that Musk has not already abused his position to gain information from private communications on Twitter?
- Lendal 4y agoWhat's really worrying to me is that he can change those DMs to say whatever suits his fancy, coupled with the fact nobody remaining at Twitter is in any position to blow the whistle on such conduct. It would likely remain secret indefinitely.
- RetpolineDrama 4y ago>What's really worrying to me is that he can change those DMs to say whatever suits his fancy, I mean NSA has had this capability for 25 years.
- Lendal 4y agoReally? News to me. If NSA has had this secret ability, and if it is indeed a secret, how is it that some random person knows all about it and now feels perfectly safe revealing it on a public web site? Changing data in real time on private databases goes way beyond traffic monitoring & intelligence-gathering.
- jacquesm 4y agoI had not even considered that, good point, data integrity is not to be expected going forward. This also puts a rather interesting twist on any of the evidence presented.
- TheHappyOddish 4y agoAs opposed to those who had access to them previously? They were never "your" DMs.
- jacquesm 4y agoThe people who had access to them previously had a modicum of ethics, the current management not so much.
- TheHappyOddish 4y agoThat seems to be wishful thinking, not a fact based statement.
- NelsonMinar 4y agoI worry about this risk a lot. There is no way to delete DMs on Twitter; even if you delete them they stay in the system so the other side of the conversation has them. To folks below saying "that was always true", yes, but I trusted the previous management of Twitter to not snoop on my private DMs. I do not trust the current owner the same way. (I had a typo in my original comment btw; I said "surprising" but meant "unsurprising".)
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- nickthegreek 4y agoWhy do people keep saying they knowingly allowed child exploitation. Do I need to be deep in the qanon to get this reference or something?
- themitigating 4y agoAnother lie that is said so often that they think it's true.
- theonething 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34024832 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34024832
- themitigating 4y agoAre they unwilling or unable? These stories don't show executives don't care or are encouraging it.
- theonething 4y agoThe story is saying they are not even trying. That seems to show they don't care and/or they have other priorities like trying to make a buck off porn.
- themitigating 4y agoWho is making the assessment that they aren't trying hard enough? And "seems like" isn't evidence
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- protastus 4y agoCorporate records and correspondence can be made public due to a lawsuit. So the risk of disclosure isn't new, and anyone should consider it whether they work at a startup or at a large company. Just another incentive to act with integrity and keep personal correspondence out of corporate systems.
- jacquesm 4y agoExcellent advice.
- cauch 4y agoI don't think the point was that "corporate records and correspondence can be made public", but "corporate records and correspondence that do not reflect the full picture and that are cherry-picked to make the company look bad while the company was not bad can be made public while the rest of the picture can be kept not public".
- dmak 4y agoKey phrase was "hostile intent".
- ekianjo 4y ago
- RetpolineDrama 4y ago