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Note that I did not say legal action -- I said a letter. With the right wording, explanation of the case and concerns, and some finesse, FB counsel who might re

Note that I did not say legal action -- I said a letter. With the right wording, explanation of the case and concerns, and some finesse, FB counsel who might receive this letter may be motivated to solve it quickly and efficiently. Actual legal action is a last resort, because if it goes bad everyone loses (especially the young creator, because it could take years). Good lawyers should be good at that kind of thing.

paxys 4y ago
> Just a thought, but have you considered legal action? > Note that I did not say legal action -- I said a letter Meta has a large legal department full of lawyers who are paid a lot more than whoever you can afford. They are used to dealing with threats and actual lawsuits every day from people, companies and governments all over the world. Your random letter isn't going to scare them into submission. You will simply get back a templatized response along the likes of "We reserve the right to ban anyone from our services. Here is a link to our ToS."
- hardwaresofton 4y ago
  What's your definition of legal action? I generally understand it to mean a filing, legal proceeeding, etc. A simple letter does not, in my mind, constitute legal action. A letter could threaten legal action, but that's explicitly not what I'm suggesting should be done here -- you don't want to attack FB lawyers, you just want a side-channel to a reasonable set of people who are interested in avoiding litigation/bad press, and powerful enough to do something about your problem. [EDIT] - responding to your edit. > Meta has a large legal department full of lawyers who are paid a lot more than whoever you can afford. They are used to dealing with threats and actual lawsuits every day from people, companies and governments all over the world. Your random letter isn't going to scare them into submission. You will simply get back a templatized response along the likes of "We reserve the right to ban anyone from our services. Here is a link to our ToS." They're already getting nowhere with dealing with the current level of automated response/remediation. I have explicitly noted that the point is not to scare the lawyers (everyone seems to be projecting this into my suggestion), but to possibly get the ear of reasonable people with power. Regardless of what you think will happen, it is an avenue to try, that evidently the OP didn't think of yet. [EDIT2] - I see now that I wrote "legal action" and it's been interpreted as such. What I meant was to "send a letter" that may be received by someone reasonable with power to fix what is likely a simple moderation mistake. I am not advocating trying to take Meta to court.
- ummonk 4y ago
  > Meta has a large legal department full of lawyers who are paid a lot more than whoever you can afford. Yes, they have very competent lawyers. In fact, the lawyers are so competent they might actually realize "hey this isn't a case of impersonation we can have her account reinstated and avoid even the possibility of a legal hassle".
teaearlgraycold 4y ago
> Note that I did not say legal action -- I said a letter wut
- hardwaresofton 4y ago
  Depending on who you ask, a letter is not necessarily legal action. https://lexlaw.co.uk/letter-before-claim-specialist-solicitors/ https://lexlaw.co.uk/letter-before-claim-specialist-solicito... https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/legal_action https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/legal_action What is it with HN today, full of smarmy people seizing on semantics. [EDIT] - I see why everyone is, I included the phrase "legal action", and meant to talk separately about sending a letter (not legal action, depending on who you ask). This is what I meant. I do not mean to sue or open a case against Meta.

paxys 4y ago

> Just a thought, but have you considered legal action? > Note that I did not say legal action -- I said a letter Meta has a large legal department full of lawyers who are paid a lot more than whoever you can afford. They are used to dealing with threats and actual lawsuits every day from people, companies and governments all over the world. Your random letter isn't going to scare them into submission. You will simply get back a templatized response along the likes of "We reserve the right to ban anyone from our services. Here is a link to our ToS."

hardwaresofton 4y ago
What's your definition of legal action? I generally understand it to mean a filing, legal proceeeding, etc. A simple letter does not, in my mind, constitute legal action. A letter could threaten legal action, but that's explicitly not what I'm suggesting should be done here -- you don't want to attack FB lawyers, you just want a side-channel to a reasonable set of people who are interested in avoiding litigation/bad press, and powerful enough to do something about your problem. [EDIT] - responding to your edit. > Meta has a large legal department full of lawyers who are paid a lot more than whoever you can afford. They are used to dealing with threats and actual lawsuits every day from people, companies and governments all over the world. Your random letter isn't going to scare them into submission. You will simply get back a templatized response along the likes of "We reserve the right to ban anyone from our services. Here is a link to our ToS." They're already getting nowhere with dealing with the current level of automated response/remediation. I have explicitly noted that the point is not to scare the lawyers (everyone seems to be projecting this into my suggestion), but to possibly get the ear of reasonable people with power. Regardless of what you think will happen, it is an avenue to try, that evidently the OP didn't think of yet. [EDIT2] - I see now that I wrote "legal action" and it's been interpreted as such. What I meant was to "send a letter" that may be received by someone reasonable with power to fix what is likely a simple moderation mistake. I am not advocating trying to take Meta to court.
ummonk 4y ago
> Meta has a large legal department full of lawyers who are paid a lot more than whoever you can afford. Yes, they have very competent lawyers. In fact, the lawyers are so competent they might actually realize "hey this isn't a case of impersonation we can have her account reinstated and avoid even the possibility of a legal hassle".

teaearlgraycold 4y ago

> Note that I did not say legal action -- I said a letter wut

hardwaresofton 4y ago
Depending on who you ask, a letter is not necessarily legal action. https://lexlaw.co.uk/letter-before-claim-specialist-solicitors/ https://lexlaw.co.uk/letter-before-claim-specialist-solicito... https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/legal_action https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/legal_action What is it with HN today, full of smarmy people seizing on semantics. [EDIT] - I see why everyone is, I included the phrase "legal action", and meant to talk separately about sending a letter (not legal action, depending on who you ask). This is what I meant. I do not mean to sue or open a case against Meta.