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> The only real solution is that we consumers consume less, and probably spend more for the same products, period. I couldn’t disagree more. We need more regu

> The only real solution is that we consumers consume less, and probably spend more for the same products, period. I couldn’t disagree more. We need more regulation and taxation, and the real cost of the externalities added to the end product. The public is subsidizing and paying for private industry to pollute and use resources without accountability. That needs to end. The idea that the problem is solely due to personal consumption by individuals is a greenwashing tactic used by corporations to avoid responsibility for their products. The real solution is to put up barriers to producing these products and make the companies pay for their impact on the planet. This strange, antisocial idea that companies aren’t part of the social contract and don’t have to follow the rules of governments and civilization needs to be called out.

ViViDboarder 4y ago
It doesn’t look like you disagree to me. The result of such taxes or regulations is less and more expensive consumption.
- smcl 4y ago
  I read that the original comment was laying the blame at the feet of individual consumer choices - implying that if people simply bought/consumed less of … whatever is causing the Colorado river to be depleted then things would fix themselves. And the reply is saying that there need to be explicit regulations to cause this, presumably because people have really no way to know the what environmental impact each dollar they spend has and where.
  - philsnow 4y ago
    I read it the same way, similarly to PR campaigns that tell Californians to water their lawns less and take fewer and shorter showers, even thought that usage uses by far less water than ag or industrial uses.
    - reducesuffering 4y ago
      We should all do our part. Less ag and industrial products means a higher cost for us all.
HEmanZ 4y ago
I think you’re reading the wrong thing into my comment. I would absolutely agree the problem is that externalities aren’t priced in. The result of pricing those in would be that everything gets more expensive and consumers get to consume less. I don’t like the idea of blaming companies anymore than blaming individual consumers. They’re working in the same market

ViViDboarder 4y ago

It doesn’t look like you disagree to me. The result of such taxes or regulations is less and more expensive consumption.

smcl 4y ago
I read that the original comment was laying the blame at the feet of individual consumer choices - implying that if people simply bought/consumed less of … whatever is causing the Colorado river to be depleted then things would fix themselves. And the reply is saying that there need to be explicit regulations to cause this, presumably because people have really no way to know the what environmental impact each dollar they spend has and where.
- philsnow 4y ago
  I read it the same way, similarly to PR campaigns that tell Californians to water their lawns less and take fewer and shorter showers, even thought that usage uses by far less water than ag or industrial uses.
  - reducesuffering 4y ago
    We should all do our part. Less ag and industrial products means a higher cost for us all.

HEmanZ 4y ago

I think you’re reading the wrong thing into my comment. I would absolutely agree the problem is that externalities aren’t priced in. The result of pricing those in would be that everything gets more expensive and consumers get to consume less. I don’t like the idea of blaming companies anymore than blaming individual consumers. They’re working in the same market