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For the love of god just get off of thece ancient systems pls, or run the only in airgapped and isolated network segments with application whitelisting and manu
by slt2021 4y ago
For the love of god just get off of thece ancient systems pls, or run the only in airgapped and isolated network segments with application whitelisting and manual data ingress/egress controls, and everything will be fine without these silly updates.
Just bury the body already, let winxp rest in peace, please
- causality0 4y agoGive me a new Windows that isn't dripping with contempt for the user.
- danogentili 4y agoWhat about switching to Linux? :) If you're running legacy OSes, you're most definitely not playing recent games with DRM or doing anything that can't be done on a recent Linux system.
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- archontes 4y agoI still believe that linux is unsuitable for the vast majority of people. I virtualize all of my workstations with proxmox, and have the ability to backup and restore snapshots quickly, and without that ability, the number of times a gui recommended kernel update would just kill large portions of my system is too damn high. Kernel 5.15 still seems to be incompatible with running two monitors on a GTX 1080TI with any of the proprietary nvidia drivers I've tried.
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- StillBored 4y agoWhat you give up with linux is the hardware compatibility. The linux bigots would say you get better HW compatibility but that is only true if your HW is old junk the manufacture abandoned years back. Nvidia tends to be a bit of a no-no when it comes to linux these days because of the wayland fiasco (and others), although it might be getting better with their latest opensource driver efforts. Who knows, but the fact does remain that linux's refusal to have a binary driver ABI fsk's anything that doesn't have an opensource driver, so usually just make sure one exists before even trying the HW.
- userbinator 4y agoLinux is suitable for the vast majority of people... in the form of Android. Unfortunately that's just not suitable for any sort of actual work.
- kitsunesoba 4y agoIME Linux is fine generally but still has some prominent rough edges that show up just often enough to make it an impractical choice for their users who encounter them.
- causality0 4y agoUn-fucking Windows 10 is still easier than Linux where the answers to half of my problems are "You fool, if you wanted to use more than two mouse buttons you should have used Slippery Weasel 7. Trash your install and start over with a better distro. By the way Slippery Weasel 7 doesn't support changing your screen brightness."
- StillBored 4y agoI get your point, but its not quite that bad if your careful about your laptop selection (most desktops its not a problem because you just plug in another mouse/whatever when you discover a compatibility issue). And KDE/etc is still wonderfully configurable with the control panel that ships, and there are loads of actual themes that aren't just someone changing a color and background image like windows. And it supports 3 or 4 start menu styles out of the box, with just a right click properties selection, or putting the task bar on the side of the window, etc, etc, etc. So, yah linux is still shit, but at this point it might have finally reached the point where its the least shitty if your careful. Largely because the competitors are doing their darnest to destroy their own offerings while chasing features/etc no one actually wants (ads anyone?).
- wereallterrrist 4y agoDamn near pure FUD with any remotely, remotely mainstream laptop. The Linux ecosystem is so wildly more consistent and predictable than Win10. I mean, my laptop doesn't overheat daily in my bag when its booted to Linux, but yeah, Windows is so easy. /s
- ShockedUnicorn 4y agoI'm unsure what you mean with mainstream laptop, but with my Asus zenbook I had these problems: * Sleeping doesn't work, hibernate sometimes work * Keyboard buttons for screen brightness doesn't work * Ambient light sensor doesn't work * Vsync doesn't work * Processor always highly clocked, draining battery I was able to fix some of the issues in Ubuntu by compiling kernel addons of some sort. When I switched to Arch I could with the help of their Wiki fix all of the issues, but there was lot of text config files to edit, and some more compiling of kernel stuff. Even after that I still couldn't get vsync to work properly. Watching youtube while the screen is tearing all the time is very annoying. If you want to run linux you should get a laptop that is validated to work, like framework or validated dell laptops. At least then you might only need to fix one or two issues.
- cpuguy83 4y agoThat's what they said about XP when it came out.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y agoreally? who, when? I have actually lived through that era, and I can't remember there being negative sentiment about XP. I don't know about the dark corners of the internet, but the people in my circles were neutral about XP, hated Vista, loved 7, hated 8, hated 10 and hate 11 to this day, the only criticism of XP I saw is about the UI, which doesn't make sense to me - switching it was a matter of 3 clicks
- bitwize 4y agoXP was the first Windows with phone-home DRM.
- mostlysimilar 4y agoBetter to have at-install license key check than all of the hostile telemetry and ads in Windows 11.
- bitwize 4y agoYeah, but that shit was a big deal back then. We were used to having software work for us and not anyone else, so monetizing your eyeballs or attempting to profile you and enforce copyright through the internet was weird and creepy. People lost their shit when they found out Bonzi Buddy and Comet Cursor had spyware. Today's Bonzi Buddy/Comet Cursor is called... well, Windows 11, and no one seems to care.
- userbinator 4y agoThey're slowly stuffing that shit into updates of Windows 10 too. and no one seems to care. I suspect that's largely because of learned helplessness and the bias that search engines and the like seem to have developed. Instead of piles of critical articles about all the worst parts, we get SEO'd sites parroting the same unbearably positive marketing copy about how much "better" Win11 is.
- userbinator 4y ago1990s Microsoft: "Where do you want to go today?" 2020s Microsoft: "Where do we want you to go today?"
- accrual 4y agoI miss the all the research that went into developing 95's UI. So much effort went into making computers usable and discoverable for the lay person. The user was the focus of the OS. Seems a little less so now, especially with some of the usability that went away with 11.
- causality0 4y agoCan you fucking imagine telling a 90s Windows developer who just built an amazing multi-tasking multi-window UI that a 2022 innovation was taking away the ability to label the windows on the taskbar?
- coretx 4y agoLiterally more or less all UI research from that era came from elsewhere and MS still screwed it up. Probably on purpose to sell new versions at a later date. Even the MAC UI R&I from that era comes straight from systems such as NEXT and the Amiga. Jobs was no creative genius, but he indeed was focusing on the user. Today, only free software seems to do so. Something the previous is built upon, and developed further.
- coretx 4y ago1990s Microsoft: "Where do you want to go today?" 2000s Microsoft: "Where do you want to try to go today?" 2010s Microsoft: "Where did you go today ?" 2020s Microsoft: "Where do we want you to go today?" /completed that for you
- int_19h 4y ago"We will tell you where to go today" was the running joke in the late 90s already.
- dmfdmf 4y agoAll signs lead me to conclude that they want to make Window ?? as locked down as your phone, i.e. strickly a content consumption and user tracking device. Windows 11, which is garbage, is just an incremental step along the way to boil the frog.
- matheusmoreira 4y agoMicrosoft Linux doesn't exist yet, they just have a cheap imitation running on top of Windows. I recommend switching to the real thing.
- acquacow 4y agoWell, it's ubuntu in a Hyper-V VM. It's a very real linux, and it runs /in/ windows vs on top of it...
- matheusmoreira 4y agoWasn't it an implementation of Linux system calls on top of NT?
- froggit 4y ago> Wasn't it an implementation of Linux system calls on top of NT? Windows subsystem for linux has 2 flavors. WSL1 was more of the whole system call on NT thing, kind of. WSL2 is a lightweight hyper-v VM with an MS customized Linux kernel with a bunch of tweaks to do cool shit.
- hardware2win 4y ago>The Azure Sphere OS is a custom Linux-based microcontroller operating system created by Microsoft to run on an Azure Sphere-certified chip and to connect to the Azure Sphere Security Service Also >CBL-Mariner (in which CBL stands for Common Base Linux)[3] is a free and open-source Linux distribution that Microsoft has developed. It is the base container OS for Microsoft Azure services[4][5] and the graphical component of WSL
- Lammy 4y agoThe site does agree with you in the Disclaimer at the bottom of the page: “The existence of this site shouldn’t be taken as an endorsement to continue using unsupported OSes. You should stick to a supported OS such as Windows 10 or 11 (or, try Linux?!). However, this service exists anyway in recognition that using these OSes is sometimes necessary to run legacy hardware/software, or just interesting to play around with.” Presumably they knew they would get a lot of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfUEb_neu3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfUEb_neu3U
- i386 4y agoYeah until some IT moron running a hospital installs this on their aging fleet for budgetary concerns.
- zamadatix 4y agoI mean that poor IT guy knows it’s shit either way, at least they are trying to do something other than throw their hands in the air and give up completely. In all honesty though they’ll probably have some old version of WSUS still running on prem anyways. Well that and a large collection of devices they aren’t allowed to update or secure at all.
- kirb 4y ago"Lemonade?" "Please!" Indeed, I knew it was an important resource many people would need, but also that I had to make clear that getting fully patched up on XP or 7 is of course nowhere near the same as running a current OS with 10-20 more years of security innovation baked in. Although I do try to assume most of the target audience have this level of understanding about security already.
- no_identd 4y agoTell that to my desire for a retro gaming experience.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y agothere are hundreds of multiplayer games that dont work past win7 bro
- hhh 4y agodo you have examples?
- throwaway0x7E6 4y agowindows 10 site:steamcommunity.com most of the results are related to that
- froggit 4y agoso no actual examples?
- userbinator 4y agoYou're welcome to stay on your leash and do as MS says.
- Klonoar 4y agoOP is appealing to modern security needs and general advances in computing. Your comment isn't really necessary or useful.
- wnevets 4y ago> For the love of god just get off of thece ancient systems pls, Is anyone actually writing exploits for these ancient systems? I wouldn't be surprised if it is actually safer from non-targeted attacks.
- Koshkin 4y agoWhy, they all have been written already, long ago.
- wnevets 4y agoWouldn't they also have been patched long ago?
- alar44 4y agoAre you suggesting Microsoft patched every vulnerability?
- wnevets 4y agoI'm asking who is looking for and deploying exploits for an OS no one uses.
- alar44 4y agoPlenty of manufacturing still uses outdated OSs because they have to because they vendor no longer exists, doesn't care, or the machine itself is old and no longer supported. Manufacturing plants are also excellent targets.
- wnevets 4y agoBut no one is spraying the internet with exploits to catch those manufacturing plants running ancient OSs. Attacks on those places and their ancient OSs would be reserved for targeted attacks.
- Blackthorn 4y agoNot running it anymore but these systems like 7 are great. In XP or 7, when you built a computer, you installed the OS direct from Microsoft to avoid all that shovelware that OEMs loved to put on the systems. Now the shovelware comes right from Microsoft as part of the OS, isn't that lovely.
- RobotToaster 4y agoDoesn't MS still offer paid updates for win7?
- StillBored 4y agoyah for another month. The official paid support is "Extended Security Updates (ESU) through January 2023" But, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a couple large (or important) customers with some special cases have some kind of incident support contracts which basically dictate that MS fixes exploits or bugs in embedded systems/whatever. Its happened in the past, so no reason to think that some nuke plant tied to windows7 can't get a timezone update or whatever in a couple years after paying $$$$$ for it.
- tr9f0tv 4y agoWindows Embedded POSReady 7 Extended Security Update Year 3 - End Date 2024-10-08 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-embedded-posready-7 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows... and you also have 0patch https://blog.0patch.com/2022/10/two-more-years-of-critical-security.html https://blog.0patch.com/2022/10/two-more-years-of-critical-s...
- andirk 4y agoI agree. But am I the only one using an Android phone from 2017 that hasn't been able to update its OS for a couple years now? It's also cracked and I lost it yesterday.