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RoP's cardinal sin was that it was boring. HotD and Andor are both examples of megacorporations producing art that resonates with humans in 2022. RoP didn't h

RoP's cardinal sin was that it was boring. HotD and Andor are both examples of megacorporations producing art that resonates with humans in 2022. RoP didn't have to suck.

smoldesu 4y ago
I agree, in an alternative universe with a different director (maybe even a different edit), the show could probably be pretty good. HotD was good, but frankly it's a capitalization on how god-awful GoT's 8th season was. They could have produced a wet shit like Amazon did and it would still be a redemption arc for G.R.R.M's television adaptations. Andor I haven't seen yet (not a disney guy) but I sorta get the same vibes. Disney, for all their artistic weal and woe, makes a ton of safe and boring films these days. It doesn't really impress me that they can put together an M-rated show that doesn't suck.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Andor is really less of a Disney thing so much as Disney allowing the Gilroy brothers (who were involved with the Jason Bourne series and legal thriller Michael Clayton) create an elaborate espionage show stuffed with sociopolitical commentary and historical allusions, which just happens to be set in the Star Wars universe. Others involved with it include people who worked on House of Cards, The Americans, and Black Mirror, so it has that level of pedigree. It's basically doing to Star Wars what The Wire did to Baltimore.
- glial 4y ago
  FWIW I watched Andor on the advice of a friend (I'm also not a Disney guy, nor really a huge Star Wars fan past the originals) and really loved it. The Star Wars tie-ins are a bit besides the point, though the design references are neat. It feels like a movie about an insurgency against Franco, just set in the future.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    That's a good point. I'm only part-way through but, so far, you could pretty much take out the various design references to Star Wars and make a few other tweaks and you'd still have a good series not set in the Star Wars universe. I didn't really dislike the sequels to the original trilogy but they were forced to do way too much fan service. It's probably no coincidence that the best entrants in the universe in the modern era are probably Rogue One and the Mandalorian which in spite of very obvious tie-in are mostly unrelated to the original series.
    - Anthony-G 4y ago
      Thanks for that recommendation. It sounds like Andor should be worth watching. I was totally sceptical about new Star Wars shows when Rogue One came out and had no interest in going to see it. However, I ended up watching it while I was tired (but not able to sleep) on a long-haul flight. To my surprise, I thoroughly enjoyed it as a solid adventure film and I watched it again a year or two later on Disney+.
- ninkendo 4y ago
  Do yourself a favor and watch Andor. It’s the least Disney-ish Star Wars property there is since they bought the IP, and the first time I’ve truly liked Star Wars since I was a kid reading the Thrawn trilogy.
  - gernb 4y ago
    I heard so much hype on Andor. I watched the first ep. I just find I'm no longer interested in Star Wars. Studdering androids/robots make no sense. Same with a world with all the tech around and yet people living in tipis.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      "The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed." - William Gibson
colordrops 4y ago
Unfortunately Disney burned a lot of people due to their other offerings, so the public is ignoring the genius that is Andor. I credit the show's quality to Disney keeping their dirty mouse mits off of Gilroy and team.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  I think they simply burned people out on Star Wars. Too much too fast. The 'Marvel Cinematic Universe' got media executives thinking that the public have an infinite appetite for their favorite multimedia franchises, but I think they're now discovering the limits of that appetite.
moonchrome 4y ago
I don't get the positive reception I'm reading about Andor here. I've watched it since I've seen it mentioned in positive light multiple times - the rebellion plotline is nice but main character development is super dragged out and feels pointless - the arduous childhood flashbacks, dramatic sister searching - to end up screwing in Miami - so many episodes felt weak and irrelevant. The heist was dragged out far too much - who cares what sw goat milk tastes like ? Entire season could be condensed into a one and a half hour movie and nothing of value would be lost. Not saying it's bad - but far from "the wire in SW universe" or other praises people seem to be singing it.
- rewgs 4y ago
  Could not agree more. It’s fine and certainly better than Obi Wan and the Book of Boba Fett, but by no means is it rave-worthy.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    It puts the war back into Star Wars.
- colordrops 4y ago
  I agree on the flashbacks, but they were IMO the only weak part of the series. The costumes, music, sets, cinematography, writing, and acting were all superb. And it built up into a culmination at the end that tied everything together, without wasting previous setups. Also, the bittersweet sense of sacrifice and hope shining through a tsunami of oppression is so relevant and positive compared to so much of the pointlessly dark series out there. Did you finish the season? It gets progressively more tense and entertaining.
- willis936 4y ago
  It's made up of three arcs and the first arc is bad. No way around that. It doesn't set up any themes or have any payoffs, it's just a boring slog. However, the spycraft and prison stuff was the most engaging thing Disney's ever put on a screen.
ghaff 4y ago
I don't know. RoP engaged me more than HotD--not that it was great. I'll probably give HotD another shot starting at the beginning over the holidays. I'm liking Andor more than I liked either of those. Disney has mostly done at least a B/B+ job with Star Wars overall.
- acomjean 4y ago
  I too like Rings Of Power, it was one of the few shows I'd anticipate watching the next one. It had heart, some mystery and some fun characters. I'm a sucker for that music too (Bear McCredy). better than I hoped. Andor was compelling and very Star Wars. HotD lost me, I didn't make it through. It seemed kinda soap opera. People are raving about Severence, I watched it, and though decent, but didn't have the positive reaction others in this thread had. Though I'm old and have had time working for the big co under my belt, which may have skewed things. But I guess everyones different tastes are why they're making so many shows...

RoP's cardinal sin was that it was boring. HotD and Andor are both examples of megacorporations producing art that resonates with humans in 2022. RoP didn't have to suck.

smoldesu 4y ago

I agree, in an alternative universe with a different director (maybe even a different edit), the show could probably be pretty good. HotD was good, but frankly it's a capitalization on how god-awful GoT's 8th season was. They could have produced a wet shit like Amazon did and it would still be a redemption arc for G.R.R.M's television adaptations. Andor I haven't seen yet (not a disney guy) but I sorta get the same vibes. Disney, for all their artistic weal and woe, makes a ton of safe and boring films these days. It doesn't really impress me that they can put together an M-rated show that doesn't suck.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Andor is really less of a Disney thing so much as Disney allowing the Gilroy brothers (who were involved with the Jason Bourne series and legal thriller Michael Clayton) create an elaborate espionage show stuffed with sociopolitical commentary and historical allusions, which just happens to be set in the Star Wars universe. Others involved with it include people who worked on House of Cards, The Americans, and Black Mirror, so it has that level of pedigree. It's basically doing to Star Wars what The Wire did to Baltimore.
glial 4y ago
FWIW I watched Andor on the advice of a friend (I'm also not a Disney guy, nor really a huge Star Wars fan past the originals) and really loved it. The Star Wars tie-ins are a bit besides the point, though the design references are neat. It feels like a movie about an insurgency against Franco, just set in the future.
- ghaff 4y ago
  That's a good point. I'm only part-way through but, so far, you could pretty much take out the various design references to Star Wars and make a few other tweaks and you'd still have a good series not set in the Star Wars universe. I didn't really dislike the sequels to the original trilogy but they were forced to do way too much fan service. It's probably no coincidence that the best entrants in the universe in the modern era are probably Rogue One and the Mandalorian which in spite of very obvious tie-in are mostly unrelated to the original series.
  - Anthony-G 4y ago
    Thanks for that recommendation. It sounds like Andor should be worth watching. I was totally sceptical about new Star Wars shows when Rogue One came out and had no interest in going to see it. However, I ended up watching it while I was tired (but not able to sleep) on a long-haul flight. To my surprise, I thoroughly enjoyed it as a solid adventure film and I watched it again a year or two later on Disney+.
ninkendo 4y ago
Do yourself a favor and watch Andor. It’s the least Disney-ish Star Wars property there is since they bought the IP, and the first time I’ve truly liked Star Wars since I was a kid reading the Thrawn trilogy.
- gernb 4y ago
  I heard so much hype on Andor. I watched the first ep. I just find I'm no longer interested in Star Wars. Studdering androids/robots make no sense. Same with a world with all the tech around and yet people living in tipis.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    "The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed." - William Gibson

colordrops 4y ago

Unfortunately Disney burned a lot of people due to their other offerings, so the public is ignoring the genius that is Andor. I credit the show's quality to Disney keeping their dirty mouse mits off of Gilroy and team.

LarryMullins 4y ago
I think they simply burned people out on Star Wars. Too much too fast. The 'Marvel Cinematic Universe' got media executives thinking that the public have an infinite appetite for their favorite multimedia franchises, but I think they're now discovering the limits of that appetite.

moonchrome 4y ago

I don't get the positive reception I'm reading about Andor here. I've watched it since I've seen it mentioned in positive light multiple times - the rebellion plotline is nice but main character development is super dragged out and feels pointless - the arduous childhood flashbacks, dramatic sister searching - to end up screwing in Miami - so many episodes felt weak and irrelevant. The heist was dragged out far too much - who cares what sw goat milk tastes like ? Entire season could be condensed into a one and a half hour movie and nothing of value would be lost. Not saying it's bad - but far from "the wire in SW universe" or other praises people seem to be singing it.

rewgs 4y ago
Could not agree more. It’s fine and certainly better than Obi Wan and the Book of Boba Fett, but by no means is it rave-worthy.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  It puts the war back into Star Wars.
colordrops 4y ago
I agree on the flashbacks, but they were IMO the only weak part of the series. The costumes, music, sets, cinematography, writing, and acting were all superb. And it built up into a culmination at the end that tied everything together, without wasting previous setups. Also, the bittersweet sense of sacrifice and hope shining through a tsunami of oppression is so relevant and positive compared to so much of the pointlessly dark series out there. Did you finish the season? It gets progressively more tense and entertaining.
willis936 4y ago
It's made up of three arcs and the first arc is bad. No way around that. It doesn't set up any themes or have any payoffs, it's just a boring slog. However, the spycraft and prison stuff was the most engaging thing Disney's ever put on a screen.

ghaff 4y ago

I don't know. RoP engaged me more than HotD--not that it was great. I'll probably give HotD another shot starting at the beginning over the holidays. I'm liking Andor more than I liked either of those. Disney has mostly done at least a B/B+ job with Star Wars overall.

acomjean 4y ago
I too like Rings Of Power, it was one of the few shows I'd anticipate watching the next one. It had heart, some mystery and some fun characters. I'm a sucker for that music too (Bear McCredy). better than I hoped. Andor was compelling and very Star Wars. HotD lost me, I didn't make it through. It seemed kinda soap opera. People are raving about Severence, I watched it, and though decent, but didn't have the positive reaction others in this thread had. Though I'm old and have had time working for the big co under my belt, which may have skewed things. But I guess everyones different tastes are why they're making so many shows...