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Very true, but consider this: these jobs are better than whatever the immigrants are leaving behind. And US foreign/trade policy doesn’t exactly prioritize assi

Very true, but consider this: these jobs are better than whatever the immigrants are leaving behind. And US foreign/trade policy doesn’t exactly prioritize assisting the global south in becoming strong and independent. For what it’s worth I am an American but naturalized. I sincerely believe in America but I’m not blind to its external posture either. EDIT: raising the minimum wage for plant workers would also be a nice thing. The reason immigrants take these jobs is because Americans don't want them. Plus, citizens have this unfortunate habit of being (usually) more educated and insisting on their labor rights and so forth. EDIT 2: I’m fine with this being downvoted, but it doesn’t change that the US economy has a structural dependence on this kind of labor exploitation.

kderbyma 4y ago
I just could read anything except...'I would slave out children...for the money' bad look bro.
thatguy0900 4y ago
Would raising minimum wage do anything for a company that is already knowingly hiring illegal immigrants? They won't exactly be contacting the local labor authorities. And near me, at least people don't want the jobs because they demand crazy things. I recently interviewed for a warehouse position that paid 24 an hour, but turns out they were demanding 6 day work weeks and 55-60 hours a week because they were short staffed. And they were a union place so the employees with seniority got to choose the shifts, so I would be stuck with some 15 hour shifts. That is more than double the minumum wage, people just won't do that unless they are very desperate.
- belfalas 4y ago
  No, certainly not for the case you’re describing. The ultimate root of evil is our economic systems assumption that there always has to be growth and that it can continue unbounded. That only occurs in one instance in nature: cancer.
carlmr 4y ago
>the US economy has a structural dependence on this kind of labor exploitation. This sounds like the South arguing that slavery is necessary. In fact it wasn't, the US thrived, and it thrived in large part because it made it possible for ordinary people to achieve success. Which in large part was due to stricter labor laws, environmental laws, property laws than other places. The regression of workers rights is nothing to be celebrated.
- belfalas 4y ago
  I’m not at all saying it is right or that I support it. I am simply saying that it is a fact. Some years ago they made a movie called “A Day Without A Mexican” to illustrate this point. The shadow economy powers the visible economy.
adave 4y ago
There is no consideration for putting children to work, labor exploitation is illegal and needs to be regulated. Otherwise what is stopping from employers to start hiring 14yr olds for everything.

kderbyma 4y ago

I just could read anything except...'I would slave out children...for the money' bad look bro.

thatguy0900 4y ago

Would raising minimum wage do anything for a company that is already knowingly hiring illegal immigrants? They won't exactly be contacting the local labor authorities. And near me, at least people don't want the jobs because they demand crazy things. I recently interviewed for a warehouse position that paid 24 an hour, but turns out they were demanding 6 day work weeks and 55-60 hours a week because they were short staffed. And they were a union place so the employees with seniority got to choose the shifts, so I would be stuck with some 15 hour shifts. That is more than double the minumum wage, people just won't do that unless they are very desperate.

belfalas 4y ago
No, certainly not for the case you’re describing. The ultimate root of evil is our economic systems assumption that there always has to be growth and that it can continue unbounded. That only occurs in one instance in nature: cancer.

carlmr 4y ago

>the US economy has a structural dependence on this kind of labor exploitation. This sounds like the South arguing that slavery is necessary. In fact it wasn't, the US thrived, and it thrived in large part because it made it possible for ordinary people to achieve success. Which in large part was due to stricter labor laws, environmental laws, property laws than other places. The regression of workers rights is nothing to be celebrated.

belfalas 4y ago
I’m not at all saying it is right or that I support it. I am simply saying that it is a fact. Some years ago they made a movie called “A Day Without A Mexican” to illustrate this point. The shadow economy powers the visible economy.

adave 4y ago

There is no consideration for putting children to work, labor exploitation is illegal and needs to be regulated. Otherwise what is stopping from employers to start hiring 14yr olds for everything.