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I'm not sure how a quote by a musical composer about how he imagines conservatives must think is very helpful or convincing. I agree that "the opposite is clear

I'm not sure how a quote by a musical composer about how he imagines conservatives must think is very helpful or convincing. I agree that "the opposite is clearly worthwhile," but most conservatives I've read also agree. Of course, in some corners the word "conservative" has become meaningless, it just means "person I don't like."

cs702 4y ago
> I'm not sure how a quote by a musical composer about how he imagines conservatives must think is very helpful or convincing I don't think the OP claims to know what anyone is thinking. Please don't attack a straw-man. If your goal is to prove the OP wrong, you could try to find examples that contradict it. (Off the top of my head, I couldn't find any examples that contradict it.)
- jkingsbery 4y ago
  I was referring of course, to the quote > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. I'm not presenting a strawman - it's what the quote said. The quote makes a claim about the proposition made by conservatives. I suppose though I did make an ad hominem attack - the fact that the quote cited came from a musical composer (and not a political scientist of the same name) speaks in neither direction to its veracity. The quote claims that conservatives want laws to apply to some and not to others. That conservatives don't generally think this way can be seen by reading anything from Thomas Sowell, George Will, or Milton Friedman (for just a few examples). I could pull out particular examples from their books, but their books are dripping with examples - open to a random page in any of the three authors and you'll find one. The quote in question, however, is presenting a strawman, by not presenting any examples in support of it.

cs702 4y ago

> I'm not sure how a quote by a musical composer about how he imagines conservatives must think is very helpful or convincing I don't think the OP claims to know what anyone is thinking. Please don't attack a straw-man. If your goal is to prove the OP wrong, you could try to find examples that contradict it. (Off the top of my head, I couldn't find any examples that contradict it.)

jkingsbery 4y ago
I was referring of course, to the quote > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. I'm not presenting a strawman - it's what the quote said. The quote makes a claim about the proposition made by conservatives. I suppose though I did make an ad hominem attack - the fact that the quote cited came from a musical composer (and not a political scientist of the same name) speaks in neither direction to its veracity. The quote claims that conservatives want laws to apply to some and not to others. That conservatives don't generally think this way can be seen by reading anything from Thomas Sowell, George Will, or Milton Friedman (for just a few examples). I could pull out particular examples from their books, but their books are dripping with examples - open to a random page in any of the three authors and you'll find one. The quote in question, however, is presenting a strawman, by not presenting any examples in support of it.