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> But why do you think that teens will be magically be safer on Snapchat or other such apps? Because they're not full of men explicitly looking for hookups. >

> But why do you think that teens will be magically be safer on Snapchat or other such apps? Because they're not full of men explicitly looking for hookups. > This really seems to just be based on an excessive fear of 'gay' apps. Yes, it's not that Roth was making an argument indistinguishable from what a paedophile might write, nor that if he'd said it about heterosexual children and Tinder the same logic would apply, it must be that everyone against him is bigoted! You already tried that earlier on in the thread and it sounded just as desperately idiotic then given that it required completely missing the example given of the headteacher, or just noticing what is obvious. Rather than seeing bigotry where it's convenient - or claiming you see it - try reading the arguments put to you and coming up with something that is cogent. > > Why are you being so strange about a normal word? > In general he's obviously tweeted both before and after joining twitter. So if a 'pronouncement' is just anything he said on twitter, the answer to your question is obvious. It's not, but again, if it's inconvenient to answer then don't. > Err, the fact that none of them offer a way to find other queer users in the same area as you. Users on all those apps have bios and can share their preferences and location, all the apps have search. You managed to meet people with less apps, less people on the internet, worse search etc. If there's a real need for this, someone can build it. As Roth himself points out, there probably isn't, but then he skips on to letting children into Grindr formally. Is noticing non sequiturs also bigotry? Do let me know.

foldr 4y ago
If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, then that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other. However, AFAIK, none of the apps you mention make it possible to search by sexual orientation. This makes them fairly clunky as a means of meeting queer people in your local area – especially if you are not in a large urban area. The irony here is that you seem to basically agree with Roth. That is, you are fine with gay teens meeting each other via apps, but think that these apps should be age appropriate. For some reason you seem to think that Grindr is super scary, even though people do the exact same stuff on it (chat and share photos) that they do on Snapchat, Insta, or any number of other apps used by teens. An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, would probably be *safer* than many existing apps. Snapchat, for example, will happily let you send nudes or other explicit imagery that can could quite easily be automatically blocked in the majority of cases. By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you...
- brigandish 4y ago
  > By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you... There are lots of blokes who like porn on Twitter and on Pornhub but to say that they're the same because of that would be an enormous stretch. > An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, No, Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Those two things, like Twitter and Pornhub, are not the same thing. > If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, Again, not the same. You can find what you want via search but apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. > that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? If you're on Grindr, can others find you too, and is that easier than on Twitter?
  - foldr 4y ago
    > Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Sure, he didn’t give any details of how it would work, but it’s not that hard to imagine what kind of changes you’d make (e.g. automatic blocking of explicit images, stricter moderation of language on profiles…). This was just one paragraph of a thesis, so I’m not sure what your point is re the lack of details. > apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. Yes! That was exactly my point. Gay teens want to date just like straight teens do, but it’s less easy for them to find suitable people on regular social networks. >You can find what you want via search [on Snap] What makes you so sure? I assume you don’t spend your free time searching for gay teenagers in your neighborhood on Snapchat, so what is your basis for this assertion? > What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? I don’t know about twitter, but it’s certainly pretty high on Snapchat or Insta. A restricted version of Grindr could potentially impose much stricter limits on under 18s interacting with adults than any of the major social networks do.
    - 4y ago

foldr 4y ago

If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, then that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other. However, AFAIK, none of the apps you mention make it possible to search by sexual orientation. This makes them fairly clunky as a means of meeting queer people in your local area – especially if you are not in a large urban area. The irony here is that you seem to basically agree with Roth. That is, you are fine with gay teens meeting each other via apps, but think that these apps should be age appropriate. For some reason you seem to think that Grindr is super scary, even though people do the exact same stuff on it (chat and share photos) that they do on Snapchat, Insta, or any number of other apps used by teens. An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, would probably be *safer* than many existing apps. Snapchat, for example, will happily let you send nudes or other explicit imagery that can could quite easily be automatically blocked in the majority of cases. By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you...

brigandish 4y ago
> By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you... There are lots of blokes who like porn on Twitter and on Pornhub but to say that they're the same because of that would be an enormous stretch. > An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, No, Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Those two things, like Twitter and Pornhub, are not the same thing. > If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, Again, not the same. You can find what you want via search but apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. > that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? If you're on Grindr, can others find you too, and is that easier than on Twitter?
- foldr 4y ago
  > Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Sure, he didn’t give any details of how it would work, but it’s not that hard to imagine what kind of changes you’d make (e.g. automatic blocking of explicit images, stricter moderation of language on profiles…). This was just one paragraph of a thesis, so I’m not sure what your point is re the lack of details. > apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. Yes! That was exactly my point. Gay teens want to date just like straight teens do, but it’s less easy for them to find suitable people on regular social networks. >You can find what you want via search [on Snap] What makes you so sure? I assume you don’t spend your free time searching for gay teenagers in your neighborhood on Snapchat, so what is your basis for this assertion? > What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? I don’t know about twitter, but it’s certainly pretty high on Snapchat or Insta. A restricted version of Grindr could potentially impose much stricter limits on under 18s interacting with adults than any of the major social networks do.
  - 4y ago