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I was considering purchasing a Lighting if even as just a battery for my home, it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, plus you get a pickup

I was considering purchasing a Lighting if even as just a battery for my home, it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, plus you get a pickup truck!

drak0n1c 4y ago
Can't wait until a company makes a 7-8 seat minivan with the Lightning's two-way battery function. The ultimate consumer utility for moving people, cargo, and electrons.
- Avshalom 4y ago
  There's an E-Transit coming out, not a 'mini'van of course but presumably there'll be a e-transit connect sooner than later.
  - buttersbrian 4y ago
    I'm intrigued by the CANOO whenever they start making a consumer vehicle.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Closest so far is the plug-in Pacifica hybrid, which is really annoying - I'd love an all-electric minivan, or even a plug-in Sienna.
faeriechangling 4y ago
I’m amazed they don’t have a commercial of the F-150 powering a home.
- Moose_the_Goose 4y ago
  The closest I've seen is a youtube commercial of them being used to power a movie set in a remote location.
- arprocter 4y ago
  There was this one (skip to 36 seconds): https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OKad/ford-f-150-lightning-the-only-ev-thats-an-f-150-t1 https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OKad/ford-f-150-lightning-the-only-e...
  - faeriechangling 4y ago
    Amazing, how can you not want a truck, imagine rolling up to your significant other's house and saving them from a power outage with your awesome truck. It's like being a light-bringer.
PopAlongKid 4y ago
> it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, Is there an explanation for this? (I can't think of one). Why would embedding a battery in a vehicle be a better "value" than a battery permanently installed? And don't you need to install some protective devices (for the grid) into your electric panel if using a F150 battery to power your home wiring? Is that cost included in the calculation?
- dannyw 4y ago
  Regulatory credits are a huge subsidy for EV cars.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, and would do the same for what they needed a power wall for and the F150 also happened to be a truck. It's like the situations where the cost of adding a shed to your property is so high (permits, etc) that it's cheaper to buy a box truck and park it in your driveway forever. It's a shed, that has wheels and can move!
  - 1024core 4y ago
    > I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, A pair of Power Walls costs about $25K. Surely a Lightning is more than that?
    - cmrdporcupine 4y ago
      A powerwall is only 13.5 kW-h. Less capacity than my Chevy Volt. A F150 is minimum 98kW-h.
      - toomuchtodo 4y ago
        Powerwall gets a 30% federal tax credit (plus possible local, state, or utility rebates). Also in certain circumstances receives revenue share per kwh provided when called upon for grid support in Virtual Power Plant (VPP) arrangements. Vehicles receive a lesser EV subsidy ($7500 or roughly 15% assuming $50k purchase price).
antisthenes 4y ago
Powerwall and Tesla's solar offerings have always been terrible value, so it's not exactly like it's a high bar to clear.

I was considering purchasing a Lighting if even as just a battery for my home, it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, plus you get a pickup truck!

drak0n1c 4y ago

Can't wait until a company makes a 7-8 seat minivan with the Lightning's two-way battery function. The ultimate consumer utility for moving people, cargo, and electrons.

Avshalom 4y ago
There's an E-Transit coming out, not a 'mini'van of course but presumably there'll be a e-transit connect sooner than later.
- buttersbrian 4y ago
  I'm intrigued by the CANOO whenever they start making a consumer vehicle.
bombcar 4y ago
Closest so far is the plug-in Pacifica hybrid, which is really annoying - I'd love an all-electric minivan, or even a plug-in Sienna.

faeriechangling 4y ago

I’m amazed they don’t have a commercial of the F-150 powering a home.

Moose_the_Goose 4y ago
The closest I've seen is a youtube commercial of them being used to power a movie set in a remote location.
arprocter 4y ago
There was this one (skip to 36 seconds): https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OKad/ford-f-150-lightning-the-only-ev-thats-an-f-150-t1 https://www.ispot.tv/ad/OKad/ford-f-150-lightning-the-only-e...
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  Amazing, how can you not want a truck, imagine rolling up to your significant other's house and saving them from a power outage with your awesome truck. It's like being a light-bringer.

PopAlongKid 4y ago

> it was a really great value compared to buying a powerwall, Is there an explanation for this? (I can't think of one). Why would embedding a battery in a vehicle be a better "value" than a battery permanently installed? And don't you need to install some protective devices (for the grid) into your electric panel if using a F150 battery to power your home wiring? Is that cost included in the calculation?

dannyw 4y ago
Regulatory credits are a huge subsidy for EV cars.
bombcar 4y ago
I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, and would do the same for what they needed a power wall for and the F150 also happened to be a truck. It's like the situations where the cost of adding a shed to your property is so high (permits, etc) that it's cheaper to buy a box truck and park it in your driveway forever. It's a shed, that has wheels and can move!
- 1024core 4y ago
  > I think they're saying that the cost of a power wall and the F150 were basically the same, A pair of Power Walls costs about $25K. Surely a Lightning is more than that?
  - cmrdporcupine 4y ago
    A powerwall is only 13.5 kW-h. Less capacity than my Chevy Volt. A F150 is minimum 98kW-h.
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      Powerwall gets a 30% federal tax credit (plus possible local, state, or utility rebates). Also in certain circumstances receives revenue share per kwh provided when called upon for grid support in Virtual Power Plant (VPP) arrangements. Vehicles receive a lesser EV subsidy ($7500 or roughly 15% assuming $50k purchase price).

antisthenes 4y ago

Powerwall and Tesla's solar offerings have always been terrible value, so it's not exactly like it's a high bar to clear.