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> I would love to hear your 'better ways' for queer teens to connect with each other What’s wrong with Twitter? Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat... Mastodon? You k

> I would love to hear your 'better ways' for queer teens to connect with each other What’s wrong with Twitter? Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat... Mastodon? You know, social networks that aren’t hookup apps for over 18s. Just a thought. > I don't know what counts as one of his 'pronouncements' His pronouncements count as his pronouncements. Why are you being so strange about a normal word?

foldr 4y ago
>What’s wrong with Twitter? Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat... Mastodon? Err, the fact that none of them offer a way to find other queer users in the same area as you. This seems like a fairly basic point. If you're living in a small town, you're not going to be able to easily find other queer people near you on any of those apps. But why do you think that teens will be magically be safer on Snapchat or other such apps? This really seems to just be based on an excessive fear of 'gay' apps. >Why are you being so strange about a normal word? In general he's obviously tweeted both before and after joining twitter. So if a 'pronouncement' is just anything he said on twitter, the answer to your question is obvious.
- brigandish 4y ago
  > But why do you think that teens will be magically be safer on Snapchat or other such apps? Because they're not full of men explicitly looking for hookups. > This really seems to just be based on an excessive fear of 'gay' apps. Yes, it's not that Roth was making an argument indistinguishable from what a paedophile might write, nor that if he'd said it about heterosexual children and Tinder the same logic would apply, it must be that everyone against him is bigoted! You already tried that earlier on in the thread and it sounded just as desperately idiotic then given that it required completely missing the example given of the headteacher, or just noticing what is obvious. Rather than seeing bigotry where it's convenient - or claiming you see it - try reading the arguments put to you and coming up with something that is cogent. > > Why are you being so strange about a normal word? > In general he's obviously tweeted both before and after joining twitter. So if a 'pronouncement' is just anything he said on twitter, the answer to your question is obvious. It's not, but again, if it's inconvenient to answer then don't. > Err, the fact that none of them offer a way to find other queer users in the same area as you. Users on all those apps have bios and can share their preferences and location, all the apps have search. You managed to meet people with less apps, less people on the internet, worse search etc. If there's a real need for this, someone can build it. As Roth himself points out, there probably isn't, but then he skips on to letting children into Grindr formally. Is noticing non sequiturs also bigotry? Do let me know.
  - foldr 4y ago
    If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, then that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other. However, AFAIK, none of the apps you mention make it possible to search by sexual orientation. This makes them fairly clunky as a means of meeting queer people in your local area – especially if you are not in a large urban area. The irony here is that you seem to basically agree with Roth. That is, you are fine with gay teens meeting each other via apps, but think that these apps should be age appropriate. For some reason you seem to think that Grindr is super scary, even though people do the exact same stuff on it (chat and share photos) that they do on Snapchat, Insta, or any number of other apps used by teens. An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, would probably be *safer* than many existing apps. Snapchat, for example, will happily let you send nudes or other explicit imagery that can could quite easily be automatically blocked in the majority of cases. By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you...
    - brigandish 4y ago
      > By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you... There are lots of blokes who like porn on Twitter and on Pornhub but to say that they're the same because of that would be an enormous stretch. > An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, No, Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Those two things, like Twitter and Pornhub, are not the same thing. > If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, Again, not the same. You can find what you want via search but apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. > that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? If you're on Grindr, can others find you too, and is that easier than on Twitter?
      - foldr 4y ago

foldr 4y ago

>What’s wrong with Twitter? Tiktok, Instagram, Snapchat... Mastodon? Err, the fact that none of them offer a way to find other queer users in the same area as you. This seems like a fairly basic point. If you're living in a small town, you're not going to be able to easily find other queer people near you on any of those apps. But why do you think that teens will be magically be safer on Snapchat or other such apps? This really seems to just be based on an excessive fear of 'gay' apps. >Why are you being so strange about a normal word? In general he's obviously tweeted both before and after joining twitter. So if a 'pronouncement' is just anything he said on twitter, the answer to your question is obvious.

brigandish 4y ago
> But why do you think that teens will be magically be safer on Snapchat or other such apps? Because they're not full of men explicitly looking for hookups. > This really seems to just be based on an excessive fear of 'gay' apps. Yes, it's not that Roth was making an argument indistinguishable from what a paedophile might write, nor that if he'd said it about heterosexual children and Tinder the same logic would apply, it must be that everyone against him is bigoted! You already tried that earlier on in the thread and it sounded just as desperately idiotic then given that it required completely missing the example given of the headteacher, or just noticing what is obvious. Rather than seeing bigotry where it's convenient - or claiming you see it - try reading the arguments put to you and coming up with something that is cogent. > > Why are you being so strange about a normal word? > In general he's obviously tweeted both before and after joining twitter. So if a 'pronouncement' is just anything he said on twitter, the answer to your question is obvious. It's not, but again, if it's inconvenient to answer then don't. > Err, the fact that none of them offer a way to find other queer users in the same area as you. Users on all those apps have bios and can share their preferences and location, all the apps have search. You managed to meet people with less apps, less people on the internet, worse search etc. If there's a real need for this, someone can build it. As Roth himself points out, there probably isn't, but then he skips on to letting children into Grindr formally. Is noticing non sequiturs also bigotry? Do let me know.
- foldr 4y ago
  If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, then that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other. However, AFAIK, none of the apps you mention make it possible to search by sexual orientation. This makes them fairly clunky as a means of meeting queer people in your local area – especially if you are not in a large urban area. The irony here is that you seem to basically agree with Roth. That is, you are fine with gay teens meeting each other via apps, but think that these apps should be age appropriate. For some reason you seem to think that Grindr is super scary, even though people do the exact same stuff on it (chat and share photos) that they do on Snapchat, Insta, or any number of other apps used by teens. An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, would probably be *safer* than many existing apps. Snapchat, for example, will happily let you send nudes or other explicit imagery that can could quite easily be automatically blocked in the majority of cases. By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you...
  - brigandish 4y ago
    > By the way, if you think that Snapchat isn't full of 'men explicitly looking for hookups', I have news for you... There are lots of blokes who like porn on Twitter and on Pornhub but to say that they're the same because of that would be an enormous stretch. > An age-appropriate version of Grindr, which is what Roth was suggesting, No, Roth suggested that Grindr allow minors and be made age appropriate, without giving any details of how that would work. Those two things, like Twitter and Pornhub, are not the same thing. > If you’re correct that Snapchat etc. can be used to search for nearby queer people in the same way as Grindr, Again, not the same. You can find what you want via search but apps like Grindr and Tinder are optimised for meeting people nearby for hookups and dating. > that only goes to undermine your argument that teens will somehow be safer on one than the other What is the likelihood of finding an adult gay man looking for a hookup on Twitter vs Grindr? If you're on Grindr, can others find you too, and is that easier than on Twitter?
    - foldr 4y ago