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I mean, the Tennessee Valley Authority?[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#Power_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_

I mean, the Tennessee Valley Authority?[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#Power_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#Pow...

willcipriano 4y ago
Seems like plenty of profiteers are involved, only looking at cases from the last two years: https://www.oversight.gov/report/TVA/Sabotage-and-Fraud https://www.oversight.gov/report/TVA/Sabotage-and-Fraud https://tennesseelookout.com/2022/06/02/tennessee-valley-authority-whistleblowers-sue-agency-in-federal-court/ https://tennesseelookout.com/2022/06/02/tennessee-valley-aut... https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/lawsuit-over-tennessee-valley-authoritys-never-ending-contracts-can-proceed-2021-08-13/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/lawsuit-over-ten... https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtn/pr/former-tva-senior-project-manager-pleads-guilty-falsifying-financial-information-part https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtn/pr/former-tva-senior-proje...
- aeturnum 4y ago
  Did you read your links? They seem like really good evidence against your position. There are two individual people who happen to work for the TVA charged with individual crimes which don't implicate the organization. There's a lawsuit from profit-seeking companies charging the TVA contracts are too long (perhaps true but there's no mention of profit). Then there's a scandal about the TVA reacting badly to safety whistle blowers (bad! But also no clear link to "profiteering")
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    A organization is just a bunch of people, and some number of them have been caught red handed enriching themselves, or in other words profiteering.
    - aeturnum 4y ago
      Hah - I suppose by that standard all organization are criminal organizations (because someone who works in them commits crimes). I suppose they are all drug smugglers as well (as doubtless some of their employees use drugs). Someone should tell the DEA. I think a more useful model is to look at what "the organization" does (as opposed to the people who work for it). For instance, Enron's business strategy relied on breaking the law. PG&E has been unable (or unwilling) to maintain its infrastructure to a level where it is safe to operate year round. These things existed outside of any individual crimes committed by employees (and it is useful to differentiate between individuals who are committing crimes in service of organization goals v.s. only for private benefit).

I mean, the Tennessee Valley Authority?[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#Power_stations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority#Pow...

willcipriano 4y ago

Seems like plenty of profiteers are involved, only looking at cases from the last two years: https://www.oversight.gov/report/TVA/Sabotage-and-Fraud https://www.oversight.gov/report/TVA/Sabotage-and-Fraud https://tennesseelookout.com/2022/06/02/tennessee-valley-authority-whistleblowers-sue-agency-in-federal-court/ https://tennesseelookout.com/2022/06/02/tennessee-valley-aut... https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/lawsuit-over-tennessee-valley-authoritys-never-ending-contracts-can-proceed-2021-08-13/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/lawsuit-over-ten... https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtn/pr/former-tva-senior-project-manager-pleads-guilty-falsifying-financial-information-part https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtn/pr/former-tva-senior-proje...

aeturnum 4y ago
Did you read your links? They seem like really good evidence against your position. There are two individual people who happen to work for the TVA charged with individual crimes which don't implicate the organization. There's a lawsuit from profit-seeking companies charging the TVA contracts are too long (perhaps true but there's no mention of profit). Then there's a scandal about the TVA reacting badly to safety whistle blowers (bad! But also no clear link to "profiteering")
- willcipriano 4y ago
  A organization is just a bunch of people, and some number of them have been caught red handed enriching themselves, or in other words profiteering.
  - aeturnum 4y ago
    Hah - I suppose by that standard all organization are criminal organizations (because someone who works in them commits crimes). I suppose they are all drug smugglers as well (as doubtless some of their employees use drugs). Someone should tell the DEA. I think a more useful model is to look at what "the organization" does (as opposed to the people who work for it). For instance, Enron's business strategy relied on breaking the law. PG&E has been unable (or unwilling) to maintain its infrastructure to a level where it is safe to operate year round. These things existed outside of any individual crimes committed by employees (and it is useful to differentiate between individuals who are committing crimes in service of organization goals v.s. only for private benefit).