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I find it ironic to see Germany complain about someone else’s lack of freedom of speech.

by neopw 4y ago

Pxtl 4y ago
Of all countries Germany understands better than anyone the tradeoffs between fascistic censorship and allowing any kind of speech no matter how dishonest or hateful.
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  Yes. For example the Nazi regime understood that the state needs to police speech. Otherwise enemies of the people could sow hate and division and undermine the Reich! /s Censorship must be done by human beings. Human beings are faillible, so there must be a way to hold them accountable when they are wrong. But the censors could always just censor any criticism of themselves, making accountability impossible. Therefore, all systems of censorship are tyrannical and unjust
- hulitu 4y ago
  You will be surprised.
33955985 4y ago
Would you mind elaborating on what you see as ironic?
- pannSun 4y ago
  I will take a guess: German man raided by police after calling politician a “dick” on Twitter - https://reclaimthenet.org/german-man-raided-by-police-after-calling-politician-a-dick-on-twitter/ https://reclaimthenet.org/german-man-raided-by-police-after-... German prosecutors raid far-right AfD's headquarters - https://www.dw.com/en/germany-prosecutors-raid-far-right-afds-headquarters/a-63267176 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-prosecutors-raid-far-right-afd... (Since Deutsche Welle is a 'respectable' news outlet, they have omitted the context that the raid, on 28th September 2022, happened 11 days ahead of the state election [1], over allegations from 2016-2018) Germany: Migration background abolished in police database - https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/berlin-aktuell/wegen-datenschutz-migrationshintergrund-in-polizeidatenbank-abgeschafft-81396294.bild.html https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/berlin-aktuell/wegen-dat... (If you don't like journalists reporting on statistics, simply don't collect the statistics, then turn around and say there's "no evidence" of their claims. Not all press control is done by force.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Lower_Saxony_state_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Lower_Saxony_state_electi...
hello_friendos 4y ago
thefurdrake 4y ago
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I find it ironic to see Germany complain about someone else’s lack of freedom of speech.

by neopw 4y ago

I find it ironic to see Germany complain about someone else’s lack of freedom of speech.

Pxtl 4y ago

Of all countries Germany understands better than anyone the tradeoffs between fascistic censorship and allowing any kind of speech no matter how dishonest or hateful.

Georgelemental 4y ago
Yes. For example the Nazi regime understood that the state needs to police speech. Otherwise enemies of the people could sow hate and division and undermine the Reich! /s Censorship must be done by human beings. Human beings are faillible, so there must be a way to hold them accountable when they are wrong. But the censors could always just censor any criticism of themselves, making accountability impossible. Therefore, all systems of censorship are tyrannical and unjust
hulitu 4y ago
You will be surprised.

33955985 4y ago

Would you mind elaborating on what you see as ironic?

pannSun 4y ago
I will take a guess: German man raided by police after calling politician a “dick” on Twitter - https://reclaimthenet.org/german-man-raided-by-police-after-calling-politician-a-dick-on-twitter/ https://reclaimthenet.org/german-man-raided-by-police-after-... German prosecutors raid far-right AfD's headquarters - https://www.dw.com/en/germany-prosecutors-raid-far-right-afds-headquarters/a-63267176 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-prosecutors-raid-far-right-afd... (Since Deutsche Welle is a 'respectable' news outlet, they have omitted the context that the raid, on 28th September 2022, happened 11 days ahead of the state election [1], over allegations from 2016-2018) Germany: Migration background abolished in police database - https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/berlin-aktuell/wegen-datenschutz-migrationshintergrund-in-polizeidatenbank-abgeschafft-81396294.bild.html https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/berlin-aktuell/wegen-dat... (If you don't like journalists reporting on statistics, simply don't collect the statistics, then turn around and say there's "no evidence" of their claims. Not all press control is done by force.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Lower_Saxony_state_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Lower_Saxony_state_electi...

hello_friendos 4y ago

thefurdrake 4y ago

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