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I used to hear "Linux is only free if you don't value your time." - this article seems to validate that this is still the case. Am I getting the wrong impressio

I used to hear "Linux is only free if you don't value your time." - this article seems to validate that this is still the case. Am I getting the wrong impression?

mentos 4y ago
“You get what you pay for.” has always been my reaction to Linux issues.
- quijoteuniv 4y ago
  1 - I wonder what OS do you use. 2 - Have you actually tried Linux?
  - kingboss 4y ago
    I have. It's still inferior to Windows and it's trying to be a discount version of MacOS. And it's doing a bad job at it.
    - mechanical_bear 4y ago
      Inferior how? My KDE Plasma setup is nothing like MacOS.
    - LoganDark 4y ago
      I hate to admit it but GNOME is legitimately a macOS ripoff. I love it, and it's great, but it's basically trying to be macOS.
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    - quijoteuniv 4y ago
      I am afraid your comment does not encourage discussion. You can try justifying your assertions. Otherwise we just talking about feelings. I find the open source world gives me hope on humanity, in opposition to the sensation i get from Mucrosoft or Apple. I find learning the command line rewarding, that is the strenght of Linux IMO
    - flippinburgers 4y ago
      I don't know about that. I use xmonad on linux and it completely dominates anything windows could ever try to bring to the table.
    - LBJsPNS 4y ago
      So it would seem you haven't used Linux recently if you consider it inferior to Windows.
      - kingboss 4y ago
        I use it everyday. It's beyond inferior. Terminal is still needed for a lot of things that should have a GUI. Gaming support still inferior. Applications that only exist for Windows and/or MacOS. Linux had it's chance on desktop. Especially during Windows 8 trash era. It blew it. It's game over.
MSFT_Edging 4y ago
I'd say its a bit biased. Personally, I've been riding the linux struggle bus for years in my personal time. It really hasn't been a struggle, but weird issue's I've dealt with during my "Linux evenings" has made obscure struggles at my day job far easier to debug and deal with, and overall has made me a better engineer because I know how my tools work and I can use them more effectively. It's a whole lot more fun learning about kernel drivers, systemd, networking drivers, etc when you're personally invested in tweaking your machine just right. I much rather deal with a Linux issue for an hour than spend an hour on leetcode.
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bombcar 4y ago
I've had linux evenings, windows evenings, macOS evenings, hardware evenings, software evenings, house evenings. Anything you use has a chance of failure and on the whole I feel Linux has taken less time to do what I want to do with it than other similar options. Thought I started using macOS at home because I got tired of dealing with Linux desktop shit, so take that as you will. > “If you’ve ever read a mystery story you know that a detective never works so hard as when he’s on vacation. He’s like the postman who goes for a long walk on his day off.” I got tired of taking the long walks.
gabrielgio 4y ago
Yes, every OS has problem. The only difference is that Linux let you debug it.
II2II 4y ago
It really depends upon what you are doing with your machine. If you're dealing with new hardware, situations like the one described in the article may pop up since vendors will focus their testing on Windows (and possibly macOS) so there is a good chance that it will work on the commercial operating systems but not the open source ones. That is going to be especially true to more exotic hardware since there will also be less testing by the open source community. On the other hand, I find managing a Linux system significantly more time efficient. Some of it is because of the nature of open source. For example: installing, updating, and removing software is much easier since the licensing model allows distribution maintainers to create a universal software management tool. In other cases, it is simply because of the approaches typically taken by open source developers. For example: it is usually easy to copy configuration files from one system to another.
npteljes 4y ago
100%. A similarly snarky corollary could be that Windows is not free, and Microsoft still shafts you regardless. From what I gather, is that if you'd like the least sucky UX while not leaving the designated path, Apple is the way to go. Otherwise, you're going to have "X Evenings". And even Apple land, despite the fame, is not without its weird incompatibilities, dongles, random issues and such. To me, a lot of the frustrations boiled down to familiarity. I used to be touchy around Linux, because it was weird to me all the time, switching from a decade plus of Windows experience. Whatever broke with Linux, it was a Linux problem, and whatever broke in Windows, it was a stupid computer problem. Do you see the bias? Now that I have the user experience, Linux issues are familiar, and whenever there's anything that's out of place, I know where to look, what to search. And Windows, with its penchant to reorganize the Control Panel every release, seems like a maze to me, where I get more frustrated at every turn. At the end of the day, it's pick your poison really.

I used to hear "Linux is only free if you don't value your time." - this article seems to validate that this is still the case. Am I getting the wrong impression?

mentos 4y ago

“You get what you pay for.” has always been my reaction to Linux issues.

quijoteuniv 4y ago
1 - I wonder what OS do you use. 2 - Have you actually tried Linux?
- kingboss 4y ago
  I have. It's still inferior to Windows and it's trying to be a discount version of MacOS. And it's doing a bad job at it.
  - mechanical_bear 4y ago
    Inferior how? My KDE Plasma setup is nothing like MacOS.
  - LoganDark 4y ago
    I hate to admit it but GNOME is legitimately a macOS ripoff. I love it, and it's great, but it's basically trying to be macOS.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - quijoteuniv 4y ago
    I am afraid your comment does not encourage discussion. You can try justifying your assertions. Otherwise we just talking about feelings. I find the open source world gives me hope on humanity, in opposition to the sensation i get from Mucrosoft or Apple. I find learning the command line rewarding, that is the strenght of Linux IMO
  - flippinburgers 4y ago
    I don't know about that. I use xmonad on linux and it completely dominates anything windows could ever try to bring to the table.
  - LBJsPNS 4y ago
    So it would seem you haven't used Linux recently if you consider it inferior to Windows.
    - kingboss 4y ago
      I use it everyday. It's beyond inferior. Terminal is still needed for a lot of things that should have a GUI. Gaming support still inferior. Applications that only exist for Windows and/or MacOS. Linux had it's chance on desktop. Especially during Windows 8 trash era. It blew it. It's game over.

MSFT_Edging 4y ago

I'd say its a bit biased. Personally, I've been riding the linux struggle bus for years in my personal time. It really hasn't been a struggle, but weird issue's I've dealt with during my "Linux evenings" has made obscure struggles at my day job far easier to debug and deal with, and overall has made me a better engineer because I know how my tools work and I can use them more effectively. It's a whole lot more fun learning about kernel drivers, systemd, networking drivers, etc when you're personally invested in tweaking your machine just right. I much rather deal with a Linux issue for an hour than spend an hour on leetcode.

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bombcar 4y ago

I've had linux evenings, windows evenings, macOS evenings, hardware evenings, software evenings, house evenings. Anything you use has a chance of failure and on the whole I feel Linux has taken less time to do what I want to do with it than other similar options. Thought I started using macOS at home because I got tired of dealing with Linux desktop shit, so take that as you will. > “If you’ve ever read a mystery story you know that a detective never works so hard as when he’s on vacation. He’s like the postman who goes for a long walk on his day off.” I got tired of taking the long walks.

gabrielgio 4y ago

Yes, every OS has problem. The only difference is that Linux let you debug it.

II2II 4y ago

It really depends upon what you are doing with your machine. If you're dealing with new hardware, situations like the one described in the article may pop up since vendors will focus their testing on Windows (and possibly macOS) so there is a good chance that it will work on the commercial operating systems but not the open source ones. That is going to be especially true to more exotic hardware since there will also be less testing by the open source community. On the other hand, I find managing a Linux system significantly more time efficient. Some of it is because of the nature of open source. For example: installing, updating, and removing software is much easier since the licensing model allows distribution maintainers to create a universal software management tool. In other cases, it is simply because of the approaches typically taken by open source developers. For example: it is usually easy to copy configuration files from one system to another.

npteljes 4y ago

100%. A similarly snarky corollary could be that Windows is not free, and Microsoft still shafts you regardless. From what I gather, is that if you'd like the least sucky UX while not leaving the designated path, Apple is the way to go. Otherwise, you're going to have "X Evenings". And even Apple land, despite the fame, is not without its weird incompatibilities, dongles, random issues and such. To me, a lot of the frustrations boiled down to familiarity. I used to be touchy around Linux, because it was weird to me all the time, switching from a decade plus of Windows experience. Whatever broke with Linux, it was a Linux problem, and whatever broke in Windows, it was a stupid computer problem. Do you see the bias? Now that I have the user experience, Linux issues are familiar, and whenever there's anything that's out of place, I know where to look, what to search. And Windows, with its penchant to reorganize the Control Panel every release, seems like a maze to me, where I get more frustrated at every turn. At the end of the day, it's pick your poison really.