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Whatever you think of Elon up until this point, I don't see how you can find him reliable/trustworthy. He specifically said that @elonjet was ok and then revers

by mehphp 4y ago

Whatever you think of Elon up until this point, I don't see how you can find him reliable/trustworthy. He specifically said that @elonjet was ok and then reversed course on that. He's obviously a liar at minimum.

ImHereToVote 4y ago
throwntoday 4y ago
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- V__ 4y ago
  There is no proof that actually happend.
- counttheforks 4y ago
  rules for thee but not for me. or: once an issue affects me personally it suddenly matters!
- Jotra7 4y ago
- quonn 4y ago
  But Elon is supporting extreme versions of free speech so he should be held to the same standard. Anything else is hypocritical.
  - taolegal 4y ago
    [flagged]
- petee 4y ago
  Has anyone actually made a link between a plane being tracked, and his car somehow being tracked too? Probably not because they are unrelated, but it sure sounds scary in a short angry tweet
  - ancapsfascists 4y ago
    His plane and the car being attacked were in different states at the time, and the car was nowhere near an airport.
- kkielhofner 4y ago
  I’m trying to understand the threat vector here. Elonjet is in the air transmitting ADSB. From what I remember it’s a Gulfstream that flies higher and faster than anything commercial. A would-be attacker using this data wouldn’t be able to get anywhere elonjet is destined for before elonjet. Elon almost certainly has armored vehicles that can protect against any small arms fire and entire teams of security at each source and destination that almost certainly secret service-esque secure the area in advance. He also likely has security that secures the plane at rest. So he arrives at the source/destination and likely goes directly to a secured hangar for the movement between armored road vehicles and the plane. What are we worried about here, someone with an RPG, Stinger, or maybe a .50 cal in some advantaged position? Someone planting an IED on the route, runway, etc? Any sophisticated and determined actor who would be able to deploy such means could definitely get the location data with or without a Twitter bot. Meanwhile he’s regularly at Twitter HQ, Tesla, his favorite restaurants, his kids go to schools, etc. People walk around in the open… Elonjet is almost certainly the strongest and most secure aspect of his and his family’s life. If some murderous wacko (or group) wanted to go after him or his family there are much “easier” ways to harm, kidnap, etc. This almost certainly has to be about wealth and power exceptionalism that essentially says “I didn’t buy a Gulfstream AND Twitter so people can track MY jet on MY platform".
  - Someone 4y ago
    > A would-be attacker using this data wouldn’t be able to get anywhere elonjet is destined for before elonjet. If he flies random routes, that’s true, but I doubt he does. You could figure out where he flies regularly, move there, and prepare your ambush. Having real-time data adds that you can tie it to your alarm clock, and better time your final preparations. You wouldn’t have to suspiciously camp out for hours at an airport, for example, getting tired and risking discovery. Now, is that significant? Maybe, if he’s paranoid enough to put a lot of variation in his flight patterns, but I doubt it. Also, as you say, “Any sophisticated and determined actor who would be able to deploy such means could definitely get the location data with or without a Twitter bot.”
    - kkielhofner 4y ago
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  This is the second time in a month now that Elon has justified actions which go directly against his previous statements by using his children as props (not to mention we have no idea if the events that he claims happened with said children even happened).
  - d23 4y ago
    It's strange how often he uses children as props, whether by examples like this or by accusing people of pedophilia.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      Children are sacred, just the possibility of harming one makes you inhuman, so the easiest way to shut down and dehumanize your opponent is imply they hurt children. They used to do it with accusations of communism and before that witchcraft.
- noirscape 4y ago
  1. The PD in question couldn't confirm that Musk even filed a report about this incident (but that they were reaching out to Musk) according to a journalist who send an inquiry. We have no proof that this happened to begin with beyond claims by Musk and a blurry picture of a car. Musk banned the journalist who send the inquiry to the PD from Twitter. I would note that the journalist did not mention ElonJet in any form, just that there was no verifiable proof that it had happened. 2. Said picture of a car was location-traced by someone involved with Bellingcat to be extremely far away from any nearby airports; Musk suggests that someone was tailgating the car in question from the airport if I recall, but this would be absurd and not really possible given the distance. If the incident happened to begin with, it was most likely unrelated to ElonJet. He's blatantly using an incident with his child to ban an account he personally doesn't like. To be clear, it's his full right to do this, but there's some irony in how the guy bloviating about free speech absolutism for weeks on end changes tune to "only the speech I like" the second he finds an excuse to do so. Also going after journalists reporting on this is pathetic, not to mention shows a blatant disregard for freedom of the press, and as history has shown us time and time again, getting a journalist to shut up tends to just make them more vocal because of the Streisand Effect. More people than ever know about ElonJet than before he banned it and his repeated attempts to prevent people from linking to Mastodon.social and other big Mastodon instances because that's where the ElonJet guy went have only caused more reporting on it.
  - throwntoday 4y ago
    > We have no proof that this happened to begin with beyond claims by Musk and a blurry picture of a car He posted a video of the guy, his car, and his license plate
    - samb1729 4y ago
      But no video of the incident actually taking place. Quite surprising that Elon apparently is not aware of the dozen or so cameras on a car made by the company he owns!
- richbell 4y ago
  > Yeah I think you'd change your tune as well if some psychopath attacked your infant child. This is demonstrably false; last I checked, Elon didn't even file a police report. > Sweeney said he hasn't received any notification of legal action, and the last time his bot tweeted anything was Dec. 12, "which is not last night, so I don’t get how that’s connected.” https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/twitter-suspends-elon-jet-account-that-tracked-elon-musk-plane-rcna61718 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/twitter-suspe...
- mehphp 4y ago
  Ok, but that doesn’t explain why Musk himself specifically said this was ok.
aaron695 4y ago
egberts1 4y ago
It wouldn't be a lie if @elonjet posted something else more revealing other that it was bot'ed to do.
leereeves 4y ago
I personally think this is an emotional overreaction and, based on the location of the recent incident (far from his plane), I think @ElonJet was not involved (and probably doesn't pose any threat to Elon), but I don't think that means his previous statements were a lie. Anyone would change their mind and overreact after an attack on their child. And in a broader context, the new policy seems like a good idea. In general, I suspect real-time location tracking does more harm than good, and none of us would tolerate a website tracking our location.
- bandyaboot 4y ago
- meepmorp 4y ago
  an alleged attack, the evidence for which is a single video that was a shot not at the airport when the plane wasn't in the same city; note, too, no police report was filed about the supposed incident. I generally take people at their word, but Musk in particular has used up every last bit of benefit-of-the-doubt credit I had for him. I pretty much gave up on Musk when he tried to insert himself into the Thai cave rescue, and wound up calling the guy who actually saved the kids a pedophile because his mini-sub idea was bad and he couldn't handle the perceived slight.
  - leereeves 4y ago
    Do you think the video was staged?
    - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
      Let's say it wasn't. Let's say it went down exactly as described. That leaves Musk with a lower threshold for banning legit journalists than he for filing a police report. Not impossible, but rather weird.
    - samb1729 4y ago
      Why is there no footage from any of the multiple cameras on the Tesla that was allegedly attacked? It would be trivial for him to obtain that if it exists.
cuttysnark 4y ago
> He specifically said that @elonjet was ok and then reversed course on that Why did he reverse course? This part is missing from your appeal so I'm wondering if you know the answer, but just find it irrelevant.

by mehphp 4y ago

ImHereToVote 4y ago

throwntoday 4y ago

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V__ 4y ago
There is no proof that actually happend.
counttheforks 4y ago
rules for thee but not for me. or: once an issue affects me personally it suddenly matters!
Jotra7 4y ago
quonn 4y ago
But Elon is supporting extreme versions of free speech so he should be held to the same standard. Anything else is hypocritical.
- taolegal 4y ago
  [flagged]
petee 4y ago
Has anyone actually made a link between a plane being tracked, and his car somehow being tracked too? Probably not because they are unrelated, but it sure sounds scary in a short angry tweet
- ancapsfascists 4y ago
  His plane and the car being attacked were in different states at the time, and the car was nowhere near an airport.
kkielhofner 4y ago
I’m trying to understand the threat vector here. Elonjet is in the air transmitting ADSB. From what I remember it’s a Gulfstream that flies higher and faster than anything commercial. A would-be attacker using this data wouldn’t be able to get anywhere elonjet is destined for before elonjet. Elon almost certainly has armored vehicles that can protect against any small arms fire and entire teams of security at each source and destination that almost certainly secret service-esque secure the area in advance. He also likely has security that secures the plane at rest. So he arrives at the source/destination and likely goes directly to a secured hangar for the movement between armored road vehicles and the plane. What are we worried about here, someone with an RPG, Stinger, or maybe a .50 cal in some advantaged position? Someone planting an IED on the route, runway, etc? Any sophisticated and determined actor who would be able to deploy such means could definitely get the location data with or without a Twitter bot. Meanwhile he’s regularly at Twitter HQ, Tesla, his favorite restaurants, his kids go to schools, etc. People walk around in the open… Elonjet is almost certainly the strongest and most secure aspect of his and his family’s life. If some murderous wacko (or group) wanted to go after him or his family there are much “easier” ways to harm, kidnap, etc. This almost certainly has to be about wealth and power exceptionalism that essentially says “I didn’t buy a Gulfstream AND Twitter so people can track MY jet on MY platform".
- Someone 4y ago
  > A would-be attacker using this data wouldn’t be able to get anywhere elonjet is destined for before elonjet. If he flies random routes, that’s true, but I doubt he does. You could figure out where he flies regularly, move there, and prepare your ambush. Having real-time data adds that you can tie it to your alarm clock, and better time your final preparations. You wouldn’t have to suspiciously camp out for hours at an airport, for example, getting tired and risking discovery. Now, is that significant? Maybe, if he’s paranoid enough to put a lot of variation in his flight patterns, but I doubt it. Also, as you say, “Any sophisticated and determined actor who would be able to deploy such means could definitely get the location data with or without a Twitter bot.”
  - kkielhofner 4y ago
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
This is the second time in a month now that Elon has justified actions which go directly against his previous statements by using his children as props (not to mention we have no idea if the events that he claims happened with said children even happened).
- d23 4y ago
  It's strange how often he uses children as props, whether by examples like this or by accusing people of pedophilia.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    Children are sacred, just the possibility of harming one makes you inhuman, so the easiest way to shut down and dehumanize your opponent is imply they hurt children. They used to do it with accusations of communism and before that witchcraft.
noirscape 4y ago
1. The PD in question couldn't confirm that Musk even filed a report about this incident (but that they were reaching out to Musk) according to a journalist who send an inquiry. We have no proof that this happened to begin with beyond claims by Musk and a blurry picture of a car. Musk banned the journalist who send the inquiry to the PD from Twitter. I would note that the journalist did not mention ElonJet in any form, just that there was no verifiable proof that it had happened. 2. Said picture of a car was location-traced by someone involved with Bellingcat to be extremely far away from any nearby airports; Musk suggests that someone was tailgating the car in question from the airport if I recall, but this would be absurd and not really possible given the distance. If the incident happened to begin with, it was most likely unrelated to ElonJet. He's blatantly using an incident with his child to ban an account he personally doesn't like. To be clear, it's his full right to do this, but there's some irony in how the guy bloviating about free speech absolutism for weeks on end changes tune to "only the speech I like" the second he finds an excuse to do so. Also going after journalists reporting on this is pathetic, not to mention shows a blatant disregard for freedom of the press, and as history has shown us time and time again, getting a journalist to shut up tends to just make them more vocal because of the Streisand Effect. More people than ever know about ElonJet than before he banned it and his repeated attempts to prevent people from linking to Mastodon.social and other big Mastodon instances because that's where the ElonJet guy went have only caused more reporting on it.
- throwntoday 4y ago
  > We have no proof that this happened to begin with beyond claims by Musk and a blurry picture of a car He posted a video of the guy, his car, and his license plate
  - samb1729 4y ago
    But no video of the incident actually taking place. Quite surprising that Elon apparently is not aware of the dozen or so cameras on a car made by the company he owns!
richbell 4y ago
> Yeah I think you'd change your tune as well if some psychopath attacked your infant child. This is demonstrably false; last I checked, Elon didn't even file a police report. > Sweeney said he hasn't received any notification of legal action, and the last time his bot tweeted anything was Dec. 12, "which is not last night, so I don’t get how that’s connected.” https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/twitter-suspends-elon-jet-account-that-tracked-elon-musk-plane-rcna61718 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/twitter-suspe...
mehphp 4y ago
Ok, but that doesn’t explain why Musk himself specifically said this was ok.

aaron695 4y ago

egberts1 4y ago

It wouldn't be a lie if @elonjet posted something else more revealing other that it was bot'ed to do.

leereeves 4y ago

I personally think this is an emotional overreaction and, based on the location of the recent incident (far from his plane), I think @ElonJet was not involved (and probably doesn't pose any threat to Elon), but I don't think that means his previous statements were a lie. Anyone would change their mind and overreact after an attack on their child. And in a broader context, the new policy seems like a good idea. In general, I suspect real-time location tracking does more harm than good, and none of us would tolerate a website tracking our location.

bandyaboot 4y ago
meepmorp 4y ago
an alleged attack, the evidence for which is a single video that was a shot not at the airport when the plane wasn't in the same city; note, too, no police report was filed about the supposed incident. I generally take people at their word, but Musk in particular has used up every last bit of benefit-of-the-doubt credit I had for him. I pretty much gave up on Musk when he tried to insert himself into the Thai cave rescue, and wound up calling the guy who actually saved the kids a pedophile because his mini-sub idea was bad and he couldn't handle the perceived slight.
- leereeves 4y ago
  Do you think the video was staged?
  - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
    Let's say it wasn't. Let's say it went down exactly as described. That leaves Musk with a lower threshold for banning legit journalists than he for filing a police report. Not impossible, but rather weird.
  - samb1729 4y ago
    Why is there no footage from any of the multiple cameras on the Tesla that was allegedly attacked? It would be trivial for him to obtain that if it exists.

cuttysnark 4y ago

> He specifically said that @elonjet was ok and then reversed course on that Why did he reverse course? This part is missing from your appeal so I'm wondering if you know the answer, but just find it irrelevant.