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Yes, sometimes you land in these situations in Linux, but many times are self inflicted by unnecesary tinkering. I cannot see why dealing with all the … unwant

Yes, sometimes you land in these situations in Linux, but many times are self inflicted by unnecesary tinkering. I cannot see why dealing with all the … unwanted things from windows can ever be better. With mac if it is too new it will not be supported and after a few years you need to upgrade your hardware or are left to die. Apart from being an exclusive system for the rich.

sph 4y ago
This is why I run Fedora Silverblue. My Linux is now an appliance that upgrades atomically. If something breaks, I rollback. Once in a while, I pin a version that is known to work so it never gets garbage collected. The other day I changed /etc/ld.so.conf and the system would not boot—my fault. I choose the previous deployment in GRUB and I had a working system back.
- rvdca 4y ago
  NixOS feels the same but somehow... I still end up in those Linux evenings but for different reasons...
- LBJsPNS 4y ago
  MX here. Rock stable for my purposes. I have one Windows system for some proprietary stuff I need. Other than that it's been Linux for about 10 years now.
_8j50 4y ago
A lot of my problems are from tinkering as well but that's why I am using linux, to control it better and tinker with it. Why won't I just use macos if I wanted something I can't tinker with? I think people lose sight if why Linux even exists to begin with, it is all about user control and ability to tinker/hack it. I think better UX and more configurability would solve this stuff (from a friendly interface). The reason desktop/distro people won't do that is because it is considered bad UX practice to have too many decisions for the user. But imo, a Linux user would be an exception. In an ideal world, whoever decided to disable the boot flag in this case should have provided an easy to access distro/de setting to flip it back on.
- quijoteuniv 4y ago
  Yes, a lot of times when i have «Linux problems» is because i am installing it in hardware that was not made for it. For example, old Macs, but usually after an evening i get decent results. Have few old macs with Lunux that work nicely. :)
komali2 4y ago
Nail in the coffin for me yesterday when I restarted my computer to boot into windows and it had a splash screen begging me to "upgrade" to windows 11. I click no, another splash screen begging me in other terms. I click "no" (actually, no, it was probably more like "some other time" or "remind me again in the future"), ANOTHER SPLASH SCREEN. Mind you I have my grub set to boot into windows by default so that if there's a power outage, my game streaming and backup setup, which is on my windows partition for now, will relaunch if I'm traveling or something. Yet if it had booted into that stupid splash screen, Steam and etc won't have been able to launch, and I'd have been SOL! I hate windows!!!!! I can't wait to get EVERYTHING onto linux. I have a todo to see about using proton compatibility for desktop gaming, it works great on steam deck. After that the only remaining thing is ableton, and I'll have been completely freed from windows forever!
forrestthewoods 4y ago
> I cannot see why dealing with all the … unwanted things from windows can ever be better. Because the amount of time spent on unwanted Windows things is radically less than the amount of time spent on Linux evenings. Windows does by and large just work. Every OS has warts and bugs. I want to spend the absolute minimum time on them. Linux is getting better and may not require too many Linux evenings these days. But that’s really only true if you’ve burned hundreds of hours dealing with increasingly obscure Linux errors. It’s not too hard to understand why different people prefer Linux, Mac, or even Windows. They all have pros and cons.

sph 4y ago

This is why I run Fedora Silverblue. My Linux is now an appliance that upgrades atomically. If something breaks, I rollback. Once in a while, I pin a version that is known to work so it never gets garbage collected. The other day I changed /etc/ld.so.conf and the system would not boot—my fault. I choose the previous deployment in GRUB and I had a working system back.

rvdca 4y ago
NixOS feels the same but somehow... I still end up in those Linux evenings but for different reasons...
LBJsPNS 4y ago
MX here. Rock stable for my purposes. I have one Windows system for some proprietary stuff I need. Other than that it's been Linux for about 10 years now.

_8j50 4y ago

A lot of my problems are from tinkering as well but that's why I am using linux, to control it better and tinker with it. Why won't I just use macos if I wanted something I can't tinker with? I think people lose sight if why Linux even exists to begin with, it is all about user control and ability to tinker/hack it. I think better UX and more configurability would solve this stuff (from a friendly interface). The reason desktop/distro people won't do that is because it is considered bad UX practice to have too many decisions for the user. But imo, a Linux user would be an exception. In an ideal world, whoever decided to disable the boot flag in this case should have provided an easy to access distro/de setting to flip it back on.

quijoteuniv 4y ago
Yes, a lot of times when i have «Linux problems» is because i am installing it in hardware that was not made for it. For example, old Macs, but usually after an evening i get decent results. Have few old macs with Lunux that work nicely. :)

komali2 4y ago

Nail in the coffin for me yesterday when I restarted my computer to boot into windows and it had a splash screen begging me to "upgrade" to windows 11. I click no, another splash screen begging me in other terms. I click "no" (actually, no, it was probably more like "some other time" or "remind me again in the future"), ANOTHER SPLASH SCREEN. Mind you I have my grub set to boot into windows by default so that if there's a power outage, my game streaming and backup setup, which is on my windows partition for now, will relaunch if I'm traveling or something. Yet if it had booted into that stupid splash screen, Steam and etc won't have been able to launch, and I'd have been SOL! I hate windows!!!!! I can't wait to get EVERYTHING onto linux. I have a todo to see about using proton compatibility for desktop gaming, it works great on steam deck. After that the only remaining thing is ableton, and I'll have been completely freed from windows forever!

forrestthewoods 4y ago

> I cannot see why dealing with all the … unwanted things from windows can ever be better. Because the amount of time spent on unwanted Windows things is radically less than the amount of time spent on Linux evenings. Windows does by and large just work. Every OS has warts and bugs. I want to spend the absolute minimum time on them. Linux is getting better and may not require too many Linux evenings these days. But that’s really only true if you’ve burned hundreds of hours dealing with increasingly obscure Linux errors. It’s not too hard to understand why different people prefer Linux, Mac, or even Windows. They all have pros and cons.