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Well ADS-B Exchange just got suspended (https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange) so it seems that publishing public radio data is now

by pera 4y ago

Well ADS-B Exchange just got suspended (https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange) so it seems that publishing public radio data is now against their TOS.

TheHappyOddish 4y ago
I believe that ADS-B Exhange (like the suspended journalists) linked to ElonJet's Mastodon account. This is consistent with the policy - even if that policy isn't agreeable - and doesn't seem to indicate that publishing public radio data is banned.
- lambic2 4y ago
  Is there any evidence/source that shows the suspended journalists actually linked ElonJet's Mastodon account? I thought they only mentioned ElonJet's Twitter handle.
  - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
    That's what I've read, ironically on Twitter. The JoinMastodon account definitely did. This article from TC confirms: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/15/elon-musk-suspends-mastodon-twitter-account-over-elonjet-tracking/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/15/elon-musk-suspends-mastodo... Also I get journalists are feeling threatened, but it's a shame to see such a clear emotionally charged article from TC, I used to trust them for unbiased tech reporting.
    - lambic2 4y ago
      I'm curious, can you point me to a sentence that you find "emotionally charged"? I went over every sentence and every one just states some facts. I'm not seeing the emotionally charged part.
    - lambic2 4y ago
      The article confirms that Elon suspends link to Mastodons, but doesn't say anything about the journalists posting links to the Mastodon account for ElonJen.
      - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
        Apologies, the TC article states why the JoinMastodon account was suspended: > Twitter apparently suspended its open source competitor Mastodon from the service on Thursday afternoon. Just prior to its suspension, Mastodon (@joinmastodon) tweeted a link to the jet tracking account on its own service, according to archives.
rosnd 4y ago
"publishing public radio data" could mean just about anything. Your phone constantly broadcasts it's serial number and location to everyone near you, would you therefore consider your location to be public information whenever you move around with your phone? Some people still use unencrypted wifi networks, is their traffic "public"? What about baby monitors? Do you think that unencrypted baby monitor traffic is "public" in any reasonable sense of the term?
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  If your baby monitor signals go into my home and I am able to demodulate them into a clear signal then why shouldn't I be able to? With wifi, an unencrypted network is an open invitation to connect to it, as this is the way to connect through portals which transfer to encrypted tunnels. Intercepting other traffic on the network is not OK since you would be violating hacking laws since it isn't your network. Same thing with cell networks. Your phone broadcasts its data, which is perfectly legal to pick up, but if you have to use any network resources which aren't yours then it's a no-go. Overall, if it is being broadcast into my house I can capture it, but I can't send things back to the source and try and get it to do things. Your argument falls flat, sorry.
  - rosnd 4y ago
    >If your baby monitor signals go into my home and I am able to demodulate them into a clear signal then why shouldn't I be able to? Do you genuinely believe that you being allowed to spy on to your neighbours unencrypted baby monitor is a good thing that's helpful for society at large? For example, in Finland this is legislated as follows: Section 37 – Confidentiality of radiocommunications (1) Radiocommunication is confidential and may be received only by those for whom it is intended. (46/2005) (2) Whoever receives or otherwise has information on a confidential radio transmission not intended for him/her must not wrongfully disclose it or make use of the knowledge of the contents or existence of the transmission. (3) The following are not considered to be confidential radiocommunications: ...1) initial transmissions of television and radio programmes; ...2) emergency calls; ...3) radiocommunications conducted using a public calling channel; ...4) the amateur service; ...5) shortwave radiocommunications in the 27 MHz frequency band; or any other radiocommunication intended for general reception. (46/2005) The penalty for violating this law is a court-determined fine. Do you think that this law is overall a net-positive or a net-negative for society? What good things come from you being able to listen to arbitrary transmissions intended for someone else?

by pera 4y ago

Well ADS-B Exchange just got suspended (https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange https://twitter.com/ADSBexchange) so it seems that publishing public radio data is now against their TOS.

TheHappyOddish 4y ago

I believe that ADS-B Exhange (like the suspended journalists) linked to ElonJet's Mastodon account. This is consistent with the policy - even if that policy isn't agreeable - and doesn't seem to indicate that publishing public radio data is banned.

lambic2 4y ago
Is there any evidence/source that shows the suspended journalists actually linked ElonJet's Mastodon account? I thought they only mentioned ElonJet's Twitter handle.
- TheHappyOddish 4y ago
  That's what I've read, ironically on Twitter. The JoinMastodon account definitely did. This article from TC confirms: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/15/elon-musk-suspends-mastodon-twitter-account-over-elonjet-tracking/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/15/elon-musk-suspends-mastodo... Also I get journalists are feeling threatened, but it's a shame to see such a clear emotionally charged article from TC, I used to trust them for unbiased tech reporting.
  - lambic2 4y ago
    I'm curious, can you point me to a sentence that you find "emotionally charged"? I went over every sentence and every one just states some facts. I'm not seeing the emotionally charged part.
  - lambic2 4y ago
    The article confirms that Elon suspends link to Mastodons, but doesn't say anything about the journalists posting links to the Mastodon account for ElonJen.
    - TheHappyOddish 4y ago
      Apologies, the TC article states why the JoinMastodon account was suspended: > Twitter apparently suspended its open source competitor Mastodon from the service on Thursday afternoon. Just prior to its suspension, Mastodon (@joinmastodon) tweeted a link to the jet tracking account on its own service, according to archives.

rosnd 4y ago

"publishing public radio data" could mean just about anything. Your phone constantly broadcasts it's serial number and location to everyone near you, would you therefore consider your location to be public information whenever you move around with your phone? Some people still use unencrypted wifi networks, is their traffic "public"? What about baby monitors? Do you think that unencrypted baby monitor traffic is "public" in any reasonable sense of the term?

Eisenstein 4y ago
If your baby monitor signals go into my home and I am able to demodulate them into a clear signal then why shouldn't I be able to? With wifi, an unencrypted network is an open invitation to connect to it, as this is the way to connect through portals which transfer to encrypted tunnels. Intercepting other traffic on the network is not OK since you would be violating hacking laws since it isn't your network. Same thing with cell networks. Your phone broadcasts its data, which is perfectly legal to pick up, but if you have to use any network resources which aren't yours then it's a no-go. Overall, if it is being broadcast into my house I can capture it, but I can't send things back to the source and try and get it to do things. Your argument falls flat, sorry.
- rosnd 4y ago
  >If your baby monitor signals go into my home and I am able to demodulate them into a clear signal then why shouldn't I be able to? Do you genuinely believe that you being allowed to spy on to your neighbours unencrypted baby monitor is a good thing that's helpful for society at large? For example, in Finland this is legislated as follows: Section 37 – Confidentiality of radiocommunications (1) Radiocommunication is confidential and may be received only by those for whom it is intended. (46/2005) (2) Whoever receives or otherwise has information on a confidential radio transmission not intended for him/her must not wrongfully disclose it or make use of the knowledge of the contents or existence of the transmission. (3) The following are not considered to be confidential radiocommunications: ...1) initial transmissions of television and radio programmes; ...2) emergency calls; ...3) radiocommunications conducted using a public calling channel; ...4) the amateur service; ...5) shortwave radiocommunications in the 27 MHz frequency band; or any other radiocommunication intended for general reception. (46/2005) The penalty for violating this law is a court-determined fine. Do you think that this law is overall a net-positive or a net-negative for society? What good things come from you being able to listen to arbitrary transmissions intended for someone else?