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Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussi

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that they are fixing a “legacy bug” [4] and this is why Spaces has been disabled. In my opinion, Musk is behaving like a petulant child and his group of cheerleaders look more ridiculous and without backbone each day. [1] https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/1603612770892918784 https://twitter.com/forevereversley/status/16036127708929187... [2] https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1603604571288469504 https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/16036045712884695... [3] https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1603622824177848326 https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1603622824177848326 [4] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603649264290123778 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603649264290123778

napolux 4y ago
OMG, and thank god he can't run for POTUS.
randomsearch 4y ago
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the diver or against short sellers. One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad. I feel like this melodrama is driven by Musk’s detractors ready to pounce and dismiss, say, the development of reusable rockets, by Musk being petulant. That is not an argument that makes any sense. And the same goes for any fans who think Musk’s incredible achievements give him permission to ban and censor those who annoy him.
- mattmanser 4y ago
  People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk. All he's demonstrating is that CEO pay and comp should never have got as high as it has and taxes on rich people needs to go way higher, they are just going to waste it any way.
  - randomsearch 4y ago
    > People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk You can’t be serious. So Musk can’t take any credit for what those companies have achieved? By that logic, he should also be blameless for any problems at Twitter.
    - mgoetzke 4y ago
      And he never did anything at all, because these people saying that where part of every meeting and decision happening at his companies. It's mindblowing
    - themoonisachees 4y ago
      Both tesla and spaceX are famously structured internally specifically to handle musk and his ideas, in the sense that they will have a team dedicated to listening to him then basically doing the minimum viable thing to make him think his ideas have been implemented. When management has an adversarial relationship with the CEO, it's hard to see what contributions musk could have made to the products directly. I will however concede that he has been a valuable viral marketing tool, but obviously that is changing rapidly. The reason the twitter fiasco is happening is that twitter doesn't have such a team dedicated to cushioning musk, and so he goes around dictating whatever thoughts he has on an already major platform, even if these thoughts are directly contradictory with earlier ones, as was visible publicly on twitter. Other than PR, which he is becoming worthless for (unless you count appealing to the historically not-believing-in-climate-change right as good PR for an EV company), i don't think musk has achieved much personally beyond having capital (with questionable legitimacy re its acquisition).
      - 4y ago
bozhark 4y ago
record locally?
bambax 4y ago
The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to this and 2/ one of their main work tool is brittle, and will make them actively search for another, if they weren't already. This behavior is strange. Either Musk is engaging in self-harm, for some reason, or he's testing how much he can get away with.
- tibbydudeza 4y ago
  Tesla = Q mobile :).
  - tromp 4y ago
    I for one am looking forward to the Tesla Model Q (rumored name for future compact model, aka Model 2).
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  One of the hypothesis Matt Levine posits in Money Stuff today [1] is that Tesla is branded as liberal tech, and Elon is engaging in Q-foolery to bring in more right leaning people: "the only car free from the woke mind virus". I don't know how much I believe this theory, but definitely interesting. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-sec-wants-more-stock-auctions https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-se...
  - saynay 4y ago
    But why? I am under the impression the Q crowd doesn't tend to be the wealthiest bunch. Tesla was also already selling every car they could make, with like a 6 month backorder. Expanding, or switching, your target market makes no sense if they cannot afford your product, and you have no inventory to sell them anyways.
  - 4y ago
roomey 4y ago
Here is a link to the recording: https://wandering.shop/@soheb/109522542818200411 https://wandering.shop/@soheb/109522542818200411
nailer 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908
whywhywhywhy 4y ago
Let’s be honest he was mocked after pointing out journalists would no longer have special privileges on the platform and if they dox people they will be banned. Still convinced all this is really about is anger at the destruction of the class system that existed on Twitter.

napolux 4y ago

OMG, and thank god he can't run for POTUS.

randomsearch 4y ago

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the diver or against short sellers. One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad. I feel like this melodrama is driven by Musk’s detractors ready to pounce and dismiss, say, the development of reusable rockets, by Musk being petulant. That is not an argument that makes any sense. And the same goes for any fans who think Musk’s incredible achievements give him permission to ban and censor those who annoy him.

mattmanser 4y ago
People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk. All he's demonstrating is that CEO pay and comp should never have got as high as it has and taxes on rich people needs to go way higher, they are just going to waste it any way.
- randomsearch 4y ago
  > People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk You can’t be serious. So Musk can’t take any credit for what those companies have achieved? By that logic, he should also be blameless for any problems at Twitter.
  - mgoetzke 4y ago
    And he never did anything at all, because these people saying that where part of every meeting and decision happening at his companies. It's mindblowing
  - themoonisachees 4y ago
    Both tesla and spaceX are famously structured internally specifically to handle musk and his ideas, in the sense that they will have a team dedicated to listening to him then basically doing the minimum viable thing to make him think his ideas have been implemented. When management has an adversarial relationship with the CEO, it's hard to see what contributions musk could have made to the products directly. I will however concede that he has been a valuable viral marketing tool, but obviously that is changing rapidly. The reason the twitter fiasco is happening is that twitter doesn't have such a team dedicated to cushioning musk, and so he goes around dictating whatever thoughts he has on an already major platform, even if these thoughts are directly contradictory with earlier ones, as was visible publicly on twitter. Other than PR, which he is becoming worthless for (unless you count appealing to the historically not-believing-in-climate-change right as good PR for an EV company), i don't think musk has achieved much personally beyond having capital (with questionable legitimacy re its acquisition).
    - 4y ago

bozhark 4y ago

record locally?

bambax 4y ago

The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to this and 2/ one of their main work tool is brittle, and will make them actively search for another, if they weren't already. This behavior is strange. Either Musk is engaging in self-harm, for some reason, or he's testing how much he can get away with.

tibbydudeza 4y ago
Tesla = Q mobile :).
- tromp 4y ago
  I for one am looking forward to the Tesla Model Q (rumored name for future compact model, aka Model 2).
polygamous_bat 4y ago
One of the hypothesis Matt Levine posits in Money Stuff today [1] is that Tesla is branded as liberal tech, and Elon is engaging in Q-foolery to bring in more right leaning people: "the only car free from the woke mind virus". I don't know how much I believe this theory, but definitely interesting. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-sec-wants-more-stock-auctions https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-se...
- saynay 4y ago
  But why? I am under the impression the Q crowd doesn't tend to be the wealthiest bunch. Tesla was also already selling every car they could make, with like a 6 month backorder. Expanding, or switching, your target market makes no sense if they cannot afford your product, and you have no inventory to sell them anyways.
- 4y ago

roomey 4y ago

Here is a link to the recording: https://wandering.shop/@soheb/109522542818200411 https://wandering.shop/@soheb/109522542818200411

nailer 4y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908

whywhywhywhy 4y ago

Let’s be honest he was mocked after pointing out journalists would no longer have special privileges on the platform and if they dox people they will be banned. Still convinced all this is really about is anger at the destruction of the class system that existed on Twitter.