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In the GDPR sense any information that can be tied directly to a person is "personal data" but since nobody in this story lives in Europe I think it's neither h

In the GDPR sense any information that can be tied directly to a person is "personal data" but since nobody in this story lives in Europe I think it's neither here nor there that this is the case.

jdong 4y ago
GDPR has nothing to do with whether or not you live in Europe. The plane we're discussing here does frequently visit Europe.
- fragmede 4y ago
  Does it? I'd look it up but, well, @ElonJet i.u suspended. it seems it mostly goes between SF, LA, and Austin though. It's a G700 which has a range of 8,053 mi though. Also, given that the GDPR only applies to people of the EU, I'd say it, at the very least, has something to do with living in Europe, since, umm, y'know, that's where most people with citizenship in an EU county live.
  - jdong 4y ago
    GDPR does not only apply to people of the EU, GDPR applies within the jurisdiction of the states which have implemented it. GDPR protects Musk when he flies to Europe, you'd have to treat that data differently than flights within the US.
    - fragmede 4y ago
      TIL, thanks! https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0dc9663d-ac3b-438e-adcd-1415a45f99ca https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0dc9663d-ac3b...
      - emodendroket 4y ago
        This is all well and good but even if the EU claims jurisdiction over people who aren’t in the EU publishing information about the EU (not clear from this article that this is the case; it just says that it applies to you if you are in the EU even if you’re not an EU citizen), how would they enforce that?
        rosnd 4y ago
        Relatively easily? Even if your business has zero presence in the EU, other businesses handling money for you likely do. US company using Paypal to accept money from US persons? Paypal has presence in the EU and will hand your money over.
        emodendroket 4y ago
        I've never heard of this happening and, besides this, ElonJet was being operated by a private individual and not for profit. You think they're going to get his bank account shut down over it? I can't imagine the bank entertaining that.
        rosnd 4y ago
        The elonjet twitter has nothing to do with anything, it's just a bot reposting adsbexchange.
        emodendroket 4y ago
        The whole reason for this tangent is a claim somewhere upthread that it’s violating the GDPR.
        rosnd 4y ago
        That tangent was regarding the data sources used by the twitter account.
- emodendroket 4y ago
  Maybe when Europe takes control of the global financial system they'll be able to go after US citizens for doing things that aren't illegal in the US but in the meantime I don't see what difference the jet visiting Europe makes either.
  - rbanffy 4y ago
    Elon is not protected by the GDPR as he is neither a citizen nor a resident of an EU member country.
    - jdong 4y ago
      GDPR has nothing to do with citizenship, why would you even bring that up? Really, it even has nothing to do with residency. It's all to do with jurisdiction, when Elon happens to be within EU jurisdiction he is protected by the GDPR. When Elon takes his jet to visit Greece, he is indeed protected by the GDPR (even if just interacting with US based companies while he's on holiday, GDPR still applies)
happymellon 4y ago
Beyond that, you see a lot of mocking of GDPR rules from American industry and we still have a lot of websites that block on the basis that they want to divulge your personal details to any and everyone.
- rbanffy 4y ago
  And, worse, they abuse the HTTP 451 status for that. No, I don't live in a country that censors the website - it's the company who owns the website that wants to do things with my data that my country (and myself) considers illegal.
  - rosnd 4y ago
    How is that supposed to be abuse? The website is unavailable because the way they operate isn't legal in your jurisdiction. 451 seems perfectly appropriate
    - rbanffy 4y ago
      It's not the content that's illegal. It's the business practices of whoever hosts the content that are. There is no government censorship imposed on the content - it's a company that's unwilling to comply with the law.

In the GDPR sense any information that can be tied directly to a person is "personal data" but since nobody in this story lives in Europe I think it's neither here nor there that this is the case.

jdong 4y ago

GDPR has nothing to do with whether or not you live in Europe. The plane we're discussing here does frequently visit Europe.

fragmede 4y ago
Does it? I'd look it up but, well, @ElonJet i.u suspended. it seems it mostly goes between SF, LA, and Austin though. It's a G700 which has a range of 8,053 mi though. Also, given that the GDPR only applies to people of the EU, I'd say it, at the very least, has something to do with living in Europe, since, umm, y'know, that's where most people with citizenship in an EU county live.
- jdong 4y ago
  GDPR does not only apply to people of the EU, GDPR applies within the jurisdiction of the states which have implemented it. GDPR protects Musk when he flies to Europe, you'd have to treat that data differently than flights within the US.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    TIL, thanks! https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0dc9663d-ac3b-438e-adcd-1415a45f99ca https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0dc9663d-ac3b...
    - emodendroket 4y ago
      This is all well and good but even if the EU claims jurisdiction over people who aren’t in the EU publishing information about the EU (not clear from this article that this is the case; it just says that it applies to you if you are in the EU even if you’re not an EU citizen), how would they enforce that?
      - rosnd 4y ago
        Relatively easily? Even if your business has zero presence in the EU, other businesses handling money for you likely do. US company using Paypal to accept money from US persons? Paypal has presence in the EU and will hand your money over.
        emodendroket 4y ago
        I've never heard of this happening and, besides this, ElonJet was being operated by a private individual and not for profit. You think they're going to get his bank account shut down over it? I can't imagine the bank entertaining that.
        rosnd 4y ago
        The elonjet twitter has nothing to do with anything, it's just a bot reposting adsbexchange.
        emodendroket 4y ago
        The whole reason for this tangent is a claim somewhere upthread that it’s violating the GDPR.
        rosnd 4y ago
        That tangent was regarding the data sources used by the twitter account.
emodendroket 4y ago
Maybe when Europe takes control of the global financial system they'll be able to go after US citizens for doing things that aren't illegal in the US but in the meantime I don't see what difference the jet visiting Europe makes either.
- rbanffy 4y ago
  Elon is not protected by the GDPR as he is neither a citizen nor a resident of an EU member country.
  - jdong 4y ago
    GDPR has nothing to do with citizenship, why would you even bring that up? Really, it even has nothing to do with residency. It's all to do with jurisdiction, when Elon happens to be within EU jurisdiction he is protected by the GDPR. When Elon takes his jet to visit Greece, he is indeed protected by the GDPR (even if just interacting with US based companies while he's on holiday, GDPR still applies)

happymellon 4y ago

Beyond that, you see a lot of mocking of GDPR rules from American industry and we still have a lot of websites that block on the basis that they want to divulge your personal details to any and everyone.

rbanffy 4y ago
And, worse, they abuse the HTTP 451 status for that. No, I don't live in a country that censors the website - it's the company who owns the website that wants to do things with my data that my country (and myself) considers illegal.
- rosnd 4y ago
  How is that supposed to be abuse? The website is unavailable because the way they operate isn't legal in your jurisdiction. 451 seems perfectly appropriate
  - rbanffy 4y ago
    It's not the content that's illegal. It's the business practices of whoever hosts the content that are. There is no government censorship imposed on the content - it's a company that's unwilling to comply with the law.