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I'm not sure how Google has associated that page to Musk, but notice that Musk's name is nowhere on that page. I suspect Google is able to associate that record

I'm not sure how Google has associated that page to Musk, but notice that Musk's name is nowhere on that page. I suspect Google is able to associate that record to Musk because of the sleuthing people have done. Likely there are links to that page that identify it as Musk's jet.

akiselev 4y ago
Look at the registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC located at 1 ROCKET RD, HAWTHORNE, CA (Guess what other business is at 1 Rocket Rd on Google Maps) It wouldn't take much word association to connect the two without human involvement. It doesn't matter to the purpose of this discussion though, since Google has created this association it's available to everyone.
- nearbuy 4y ago
  If you're talking about tracking his jet today, then you don't even have to work that hard (or even know what the FAA is). Just googling "Musk jet number" or "Musk jet tracker" will find his jet. This information is plastered all over the internet. That's not going away. But it's all over the net because someone, possibly @elonjet, originally figured out it was his jet and posted it online. That made it easier for people to find his jet, and that is a security concern for Musk. I'm not saying this information was originally super hard to uncover for someone who knew what to do. I'm saying there is some increased security risk now that this information is easily accessible. I think most of us would be uncomfortable with being tracked live in his situation.
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  - mullingitover 4y ago
    It's not a security concern. If this was actually a security threat, the man could take chartered flights anonymously forever with a rounding error's worth of his money. Opsec is clearly not important to him. It's the Elon show. He needs the attention and doesn't care if it's positive or negative.
    - chroma 4y ago
      The problem is that because he owns a jet, any passenger on it is at risk. That’s why his son was accosted by a crazy stalker. I find it absurd how many people are against automated license plate readers (even privately owned ones) but simultaneously welcome the complete lack of privacy for aircraft. If someone replied, “Just use a taxi/Uber/Lyft.” in response to ALPRs they’d be downvoted into obscurity, and rightly so. But change the transport mechanism and suddenly it’s fair. The hypocrisy could not be more obvious.
      - mullingitover 4y ago
        It's not a real problem for Elon. He's not posting about any serious concerns for his safety. He's posting "I love Barbara Streisand lol" and "Twitter right now is (four fire emoji)" He created this 'problem' out of nothing. It's an act. If he feared for his family's safety there are ways to tackle the problem that aren't purely performative.
        chroma 4y ago
        Did you miss the tweet where he talked about a crazy stalker jumping on the hood of a car that Elon's son was in?[1] Or the fact that the FAA gives Elon's jet a PIA, but Jack Sweeney brags about being able to get around that privacy protection?[2] What would it take to change your mind about this? There have already been close calls. Would someone actually have to harm Musk or his family? And you didn't address my ALPR analogy at all. Why does it matter whether the mode of transportation is a car or a plane? 1. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 2. https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584 https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584
  - jjav 4y ago
    > that is a security concern for Musk It's very clearly not. Even if the Internet didn't exist, the data is there over the airwaves ready to be picked up by anyone with the slightest interest to listen. Also notice how this applies to everyone, every airplane. Every celebrity, every politician, even every little private plane, even the president. Those are the rules. Elon isn't special and doesn't get special treatment. > I think most of us would be uncomfortable Uncomfortable, perhaps yes. But that's the price of being a celebrity. Paparazzi and all that. When you're unimaginably rich and famous, people track you. Happens to every famous musician, actor, etc. That's the deal. Elon doesn't get to be special.
    - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
      It very clearly is. By watching ADSB data, I can build a picture of your travel patterns. I will be able to determine where you go, when, and could lay an ambush for you once I've found a pattern. Same thing if I put a tracking device on your personal conveyance. AF1 routinely turns off their ADSB transponder, as do military aircraft. They generally do not when operating in high traffic areas, but will if they are over commercial airspace and want to mask their position. While this data's purpose is primarily for safety and to make ATC job easier, it was never intended to used as a public tracking system.
  - _djo_ 4y ago
    Musk (or one of his associates, I forget which) has in the past posted pictures online of him walking to and from his aircraft with the registration clearly visible. It's not something he even tried to hide. It's almost never difficult to find out what private jets companies and celebrities own in any case, except when obfuscated behind multiple layers of shell companies and with strict opsec, neither of which Musk practiced. Every aircraft is tracked and trackable this way, only Musk is turning it into a big deal using outrageous claims about safety. Get real.
mcv 4y ago
Sounds like yet another strike against Google regarding privacy.
- rbanffy 4y ago
  A public figure that enjoys economic and political power does not have the same privacy protections as you or me.

akiselev 4y ago

Look at the registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC located at 1 ROCKET RD, HAWTHORNE, CA (Guess what other business is at 1 Rocket Rd on Google Maps) It wouldn't take much word association to connect the two without human involvement. It doesn't matter to the purpose of this discussion though, since Google has created this association it's available to everyone.

nearbuy 4y ago
If you're talking about tracking his jet today, then you don't even have to work that hard (or even know what the FAA is). Just googling "Musk jet number" or "Musk jet tracker" will find his jet. This information is plastered all over the internet. That's not going away. But it's all over the net because someone, possibly @elonjet, originally figured out it was his jet and posted it online. That made it easier for people to find his jet, and that is a security concern for Musk. I'm not saying this information was originally super hard to uncover for someone who knew what to do. I'm saying there is some increased security risk now that this information is easily accessible. I think most of us would be uncomfortable with being tracked live in his situation.
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- mullingitover 4y ago
  It's not a security concern. If this was actually a security threat, the man could take chartered flights anonymously forever with a rounding error's worth of his money. Opsec is clearly not important to him. It's the Elon show. He needs the attention and doesn't care if it's positive or negative.
  - chroma 4y ago
    The problem is that because he owns a jet, any passenger on it is at risk. That’s why his son was accosted by a crazy stalker. I find it absurd how many people are against automated license plate readers (even privately owned ones) but simultaneously welcome the complete lack of privacy for aircraft. If someone replied, “Just use a taxi/Uber/Lyft.” in response to ALPRs they’d be downvoted into obscurity, and rightly so. But change the transport mechanism and suddenly it’s fair. The hypocrisy could not be more obvious.
    - mullingitover 4y ago
      It's not a real problem for Elon. He's not posting about any serious concerns for his safety. He's posting "I love Barbara Streisand lol" and "Twitter right now is (four fire emoji)" He created this 'problem' out of nothing. It's an act. If he feared for his family's safety there are ways to tackle the problem that aren't purely performative.
      - chroma 4y ago
        Did you miss the tweet where he talked about a crazy stalker jumping on the hood of a car that Elon's son was in?[1] Or the fact that the FAA gives Elon's jet a PIA, but Jack Sweeney brags about being able to get around that privacy protection?[2] What would it take to change your mind about this? There have already been close calls. Would someone actually have to harm Musk or his family? And you didn't address my ALPR analogy at all. Why does it matter whether the mode of transportation is a car or a plane? 1. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 2. https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584 https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584
- jjav 4y ago
  > that is a security concern for Musk It's very clearly not. Even if the Internet didn't exist, the data is there over the airwaves ready to be picked up by anyone with the slightest interest to listen. Also notice how this applies to everyone, every airplane. Every celebrity, every politician, even every little private plane, even the president. Those are the rules. Elon isn't special and doesn't get special treatment. > I think most of us would be uncomfortable Uncomfortable, perhaps yes. But that's the price of being a celebrity. Paparazzi and all that. When you're unimaginably rich and famous, people track you. Happens to every famous musician, actor, etc. That's the deal. Elon doesn't get to be special.
  - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
    It very clearly is. By watching ADSB data, I can build a picture of your travel patterns. I will be able to determine where you go, when, and could lay an ambush for you once I've found a pattern. Same thing if I put a tracking device on your personal conveyance. AF1 routinely turns off their ADSB transponder, as do military aircraft. They generally do not when operating in high traffic areas, but will if they are over commercial airspace and want to mask their position. While this data's purpose is primarily for safety and to make ATC job easier, it was never intended to used as a public tracking system.
- _djo_ 4y ago
  Musk (or one of his associates, I forget which) has in the past posted pictures online of him walking to and from his aircraft with the registration clearly visible. It's not something he even tried to hide. It's almost never difficult to find out what private jets companies and celebrities own in any case, except when obfuscated behind multiple layers of shell companies and with strict opsec, neither of which Musk practiced. Every aircraft is tracked and trackable this way, only Musk is turning it into a big deal using outrageous claims about safety. Get real.

mcv 4y ago

Sounds like yet another strike against Google regarding privacy.

rbanffy 4y ago
A public figure that enjoys economic and political power does not have the same privacy protections as you or me.