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I don't find it credible that someone is committed enough to doing you harm that they're willing to rot in prison for the rest of their lives but not quite comm

I don't find it credible that someone is committed enough to doing you harm that they're willing to rot in prison for the rest of their lives but not quite committed enough to look up the public data themselves instead of finding it conveniently collated for them.

nearbuy 4y ago
I'd like to think I'm smarter than the average nutcase who tries to assassinate a celebrity, and I would not have known how to get that information before people started posting it online. I wouldn't have even known it was possible. All you get from the flight tracking websites is flights with serial numbers. There's no obvious way to know which one belongs to Musk. His jet isn't registered under his name. People had to do some sleuthing. Edit: I think you're also implying that people who have attempted to assassinate or assassinated someone are a) rational, and b) believe they'll be caught. But often neither of those are true.
- akiselev 4y ago
  > People had to do some sleuthing. The entirety of my sleuthing: google "site:faa.gov elon musk registration" That gave me the tail number and ICAO code in the first result. I had no idea what I was even looking for, just that I probably needed "site:faa.gov" - it worked on the first try. I'm working on my pilot's license so maybe I'm an outlier. I even knew that the FAA was in charge of aviation! :-)
  - nearbuy 4y ago
    I'm not sure how Google has associated that page to Musk, but notice that Musk's name is nowhere on that page. I suspect Google is able to associate that record to Musk because of the sleuthing people have done. Likely there are links to that page that identify it as Musk's jet.
    - akiselev 4y ago
      Look at the registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC located at 1 ROCKET RD, HAWTHORNE, CA (Guess what other business is at 1 Rocket Rd on Google Maps) It wouldn't take much word association to connect the two without human involvement. It doesn't matter to the purpose of this discussion though, since Google has created this association it's available to everyone.
      - nearbuy 4y ago
        If you're talking about tracking his jet today, then you don't even have to work that hard (or even know what the FAA is). Just googling "Musk jet number" or "Musk jet tracker" will find his jet. This information is plastered all over the internet. That's not going away. But it's all over the net because someone, possibly @elonjet, originally figured out it was his jet and posted it online. That made it easier for people to find his jet, and that is a security concern for Musk. I'm not saying this information was originally super hard to uncover for someone who knew what to do. I'm saying there is some increased security risk now that this information is easily accessible. I think most of us would be uncomfortable with being tracked live in his situation.
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        mullingitover 4y ago
        It's not a security concern. If this was actually a security threat, the man could take chartered flights anonymously forever with a rounding error's worth of his money. Opsec is clearly not important to him. It's the Elon show. He needs the attention and doesn't care if it's positive or negative.
        chroma 4y ago
        The problem is that because he owns a jet, any passenger on it is at risk. That’s why his son was accosted by a crazy stalker. I find it absurd how many people are against automated license plate readers (even privately owned ones) but simultaneously welcome the complete lack of privacy for aircraft. If someone replied, “Just use a taxi/Uber/Lyft.” in response to ALPRs they’d be downvoted into obscurity, and rightly so. But change the transport mechanism and suddenly it’s fair. The hypocrisy could not be more obvious.
- bburrito 4y ago
rosnd 4y ago
ADS-B transmissions are not "public data" you can look up, what you're referring to as "public data" are datasets of dubious legality from the likes of flightradar24 who operate ADS-B logging devices around the world. For example, in Europe what they're doing is strictly in violation of the GDPR.
- guitarbill 4y ago
  Love the GDPR, but how is ADS-B data personal data?
  - jdong 4y ago
    How could it not be? Your plane's location data is just as personal as your car's, or your cellphone's. There's no special aircraft exemption in the GDPR.
    - kennywinker 4y ago
      A plane is not a person, a phone, a car, or a home. Elon Musk is often the passenger on his jet, but I am quite sure he is often not on board while it moves around.
      - jdong 4y ago
        Why would a plane be treated differently than a car in a GDPR context?
        zimpenfish 4y ago
        > Why would a plane be treated differently than a car in a GDPR context? A car is generally registered to an individual. A plane isn't. You could also -maybe- argue that because there's multiple people on the plane (assuming Ol' Muskie isn't flying it himself) and that those people are potentially different every time, without a passenger and crew manifest, it's not identifying individuals (but I suspect you'd not get far with this.)
zdragnar 4y ago
That is literally what happened with the Pelosi attacker. He wrongly assumed she would be present (she was definitely not). He absolutely intended her physical harm- and attacked the husband with a hammer in full view of the police.
- WeylandYutani 4y ago
  The Pelosi attacker got motivated by DECADES of Republican hate propaganda. Not responsible journalism speaking truth to power. The rich and famous cannot have anonymity because you can't be rich and famous being anonymous. Of course the elite wants to have it both ways: report only what I want you to report.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
    > because you can't be rich and famous being anonymous What about Satoshi? And funnily enough it was exactly Musk status circa 2017. A billionaire known only by people following the stock market and tech/auto sector specifically. He made his own bed ever since the accusation of pedophilia against Vernon Unsworth who was participating in the Thai cave rescue. The combined wealth of Brin and Page also would land them at #1 in the Forbes list but nobody knows them. So it's possible to a degree, it was never possible for Musk however because he has a deep need to be a primadonna
  - factsarelolz 4y ago
    > The Pelosi attacker got motivated by DECADES of Republican hate propaganda. Not responsible journalism speaking truth to power. Do you have a citations for this? His son seems to disagree with your depiction of DePePe's political affiliation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11537665/Son-Paul-Pelosis-alleged-attacker-David-DePape-breaks-silence.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11537665/Son-Paul-P... > responsible journalism We haven't seen that in at least a decade.
- jen20 4y ago
  Given what Elon has claimed about this, it’s probably not the best defense of his position.
trap_goes_hot 4y ago
Sure, and someone may disagree with your assessment. In the end its no big deal, its just a difference of opinion.

nearbuy 4y ago

I'd like to think I'm smarter than the average nutcase who tries to assassinate a celebrity, and I would not have known how to get that information before people started posting it online. I wouldn't have even known it was possible. All you get from the flight tracking websites is flights with serial numbers. There's no obvious way to know which one belongs to Musk. His jet isn't registered under his name. People had to do some sleuthing. Edit: I think you're also implying that people who have attempted to assassinate or assassinated someone are a) rational, and b) believe they'll be caught. But often neither of those are true.

akiselev 4y ago
> People had to do some sleuthing. The entirety of my sleuthing: google "site:faa.gov elon musk registration" That gave me the tail number and ICAO code in the first result. I had no idea what I was even looking for, just that I probably needed "site:faa.gov" - it worked on the first try. I'm working on my pilot's license so maybe I'm an outlier. I even knew that the FAA was in charge of aviation! :-)
- nearbuy 4y ago
  I'm not sure how Google has associated that page to Musk, but notice that Musk's name is nowhere on that page. I suspect Google is able to associate that record to Musk because of the sleuthing people have done. Likely there are links to that page that identify it as Musk's jet.
  - akiselev 4y ago
    Look at the registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC located at 1 ROCKET RD, HAWTHORNE, CA (Guess what other business is at 1 Rocket Rd on Google Maps) It wouldn't take much word association to connect the two without human involvement. It doesn't matter to the purpose of this discussion though, since Google has created this association it's available to everyone.
    - nearbuy 4y ago
      If you're talking about tracking his jet today, then you don't even have to work that hard (or even know what the FAA is). Just googling "Musk jet number" or "Musk jet tracker" will find his jet. This information is plastered all over the internet. That's not going away. But it's all over the net because someone, possibly @elonjet, originally figured out it was his jet and posted it online. That made it easier for people to find his jet, and that is a security concern for Musk. I'm not saying this information was originally super hard to uncover for someone who knew what to do. I'm saying there is some increased security risk now that this information is easily accessible. I think most of us would be uncomfortable with being tracked live in his situation.
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      - mullingitover 4y ago
        It's not a security concern. If this was actually a security threat, the man could take chartered flights anonymously forever with a rounding error's worth of his money. Opsec is clearly not important to him. It's the Elon show. He needs the attention and doesn't care if it's positive or negative.
        chroma 4y ago
        The problem is that because he owns a jet, any passenger on it is at risk. That’s why his son was accosted by a crazy stalker. I find it absurd how many people are against automated license plate readers (even privately owned ones) but simultaneously welcome the complete lack of privacy for aircraft. If someone replied, “Just use a taxi/Uber/Lyft.” in response to ALPRs they’d be downvoted into obscurity, and rightly so. But change the transport mechanism and suddenly it’s fair. The hypocrisy could not be more obvious.
bburrito 4y ago

rosnd 4y ago

ADS-B transmissions are not "public data" you can look up, what you're referring to as "public data" are datasets of dubious legality from the likes of flightradar24 who operate ADS-B logging devices around the world. For example, in Europe what they're doing is strictly in violation of the GDPR.

guitarbill 4y ago
Love the GDPR, but how is ADS-B data personal data?
- jdong 4y ago
  How could it not be? Your plane's location data is just as personal as your car's, or your cellphone's. There's no special aircraft exemption in the GDPR.
  - kennywinker 4y ago
    A plane is not a person, a phone, a car, or a home. Elon Musk is often the passenger on his jet, but I am quite sure he is often not on board while it moves around.
    - jdong 4y ago
      Why would a plane be treated differently than a car in a GDPR context?
      - zimpenfish 4y ago
        > Why would a plane be treated differently than a car in a GDPR context? A car is generally registered to an individual. A plane isn't. You could also -maybe- argue that because there's multiple people on the plane (assuming Ol' Muskie isn't flying it himself) and that those people are potentially different every time, without a passenger and crew manifest, it's not identifying individuals (but I suspect you'd not get far with this.)

zdragnar 4y ago

That is literally what happened with the Pelosi attacker. He wrongly assumed she would be present (she was definitely not). He absolutely intended her physical harm- and attacked the husband with a hammer in full view of the police.

WeylandYutani 4y ago
The Pelosi attacker got motivated by DECADES of Republican hate propaganda. Not responsible journalism speaking truth to power. The rich and famous cannot have anonymity because you can't be rich and famous being anonymous. Of course the elite wants to have it both ways: report only what I want you to report.
- JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
  > because you can't be rich and famous being anonymous What about Satoshi? And funnily enough it was exactly Musk status circa 2017. A billionaire known only by people following the stock market and tech/auto sector specifically. He made his own bed ever since the accusation of pedophilia against Vernon Unsworth who was participating in the Thai cave rescue. The combined wealth of Brin and Page also would land them at #1 in the Forbes list but nobody knows them. So it's possible to a degree, it was never possible for Musk however because he has a deep need to be a primadonna
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  > The Pelosi attacker got motivated by DECADES of Republican hate propaganda. Not responsible journalism speaking truth to power. Do you have a citations for this? His son seems to disagree with your depiction of DePePe's political affiliation. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11537665/Son-Paul-Pelosis-alleged-attacker-David-DePape-breaks-silence.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11537665/Son-Paul-P... > responsible journalism We haven't seen that in at least a decade.
jen20 4y ago
Given what Elon has claimed about this, it’s probably not the best defense of his position.

trap_goes_hot 4y ago

Sure, and someone may disagree with your assessment. In the end its no big deal, its just a difference of opinion.