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The data is easy to find. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/

The data is easy to find. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-... I wonder what happened in 2020 and beyond that so many more died? It must just be the weather

claytongulick 4y ago
When you've spent the time that I have looking into the source and methodology behind that data, rather than just spending 30 seconds googling, please let me know. But here, I'll save you some time. Those pretty graphs you're linking to use the HMD database as the primary source through Feb 2021. Take a look at how the HMD database derives it's numbers [1]. Now we can discuss the issue in rational, educated terms. [1]https://www.mortality.org/File/GetDocument/Public/Docs/MethodsProtocolV6.pdf https://www.mortality.org/File/GetDocument/Public/Docs/Metho...
- xcrunner529 4y ago
  Ah an attempt to appeal to authority with no proof of any credentials. That’s when you know you lost.
  - claytongulick 4y ago
    All cause mortality for US source NVSS: 2018 - 2,839,205 2019 - 2,854,838 2020 - 3,383,729 Expected deaths for a given year are based on a combination of factors such as the population age, and function fitting previous trends. It would have been around 2.9 million for 2020. So the raw excess death count for 2020 is somewhere south of 500k. Many of these deaths were due to covid directly. The vast majority of which were people already at end of life, very elderly and with significant comorbidities. We're still doing research on how many of these excess deaths were due to downstream effects of covid interventions, such as lack of access to care, deaths of despair, etc... Also, when researching all cause mortality in 2020 and 2021 make sure to take into account fentanyl, which has exploded during those years and account for over 100,000 deaths in 2021 alone.

claytongulick 4y ago

When you've spent the time that I have looking into the source and methodology behind that data, rather than just spending 30 seconds googling, please let me know. But here, I'll save you some time. Those pretty graphs you're linking to use the HMD database as the primary source through Feb 2021. Take a look at how the HMD database derives it's numbers [1]. Now we can discuss the issue in rational, educated terms. [1]https://www.mortality.org/File/GetDocument/Public/Docs/MethodsProtocolV6.pdf https://www.mortality.org/File/GetDocument/Public/Docs/Metho...

xcrunner529 4y ago
Ah an attempt to appeal to authority with no proof of any credentials. That’s when you know you lost.
- claytongulick 4y ago
  All cause mortality for US source NVSS: 2018 - 2,839,205 2019 - 2,854,838 2020 - 3,383,729 Expected deaths for a given year are based on a combination of factors such as the population age, and function fitting previous trends. It would have been around 2.9 million for 2020. So the raw excess death count for 2020 is somewhere south of 500k. Many of these deaths were due to covid directly. The vast majority of which were people already at end of life, very elderly and with significant comorbidities. We're still doing research on how many of these excess deaths were due to downstream effects of covid interventions, such as lack of access to care, deaths of despair, etc... Also, when researching all cause mortality in 2020 and 2021 make sure to take into account fentanyl, which has exploded during those years and account for over 100,000 deaths in 2021 alone.