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What would you think about sharing Prince Harry's live location?

SamBam 4y ago
If the data were gathered from already public information, I wouldn't have a problem with it. How is synthesizing data that's already public (indeed, required by law to be public) a problem? Anyone that actually wanted to use this data to harm Musk would have no trouble simply using the exact same original data.
- hndamien 4y ago
  Based on the evidence (safety claim by Elon, death of Diana) it appears that promoting and publicising it makes it accessible to a wider audience that does have an effect on real world consequences. I presume this is also why marketing works on a platform that enhances the reach and distribution of a particular piece of information. Anecdotally, I did see the @ElonJet account, and have still never seen the source of the data.
  - cmh89 4y ago
    > that promoting and publicising it makes it accessible to a wider audience that does have an effect on real world consequences. So you'd be okay with banning misinformation about COVID and the COVID vaccine? Misinformation and agitprop had very real consequences in the real world.
    - hndamien 4y ago
      The test of the truth of a live location is trivial. The test of truth of COVID information is not. In the case are spreading something that is provably untrue eg. 1 + 1 = 3, even in that case, you should just rebut and explain why it is untrue. Nice strawman! It's a question of safety of provably true information in this case.
      - cmh89 4y ago
        >The test of the truth of a live location is trivial. The test of truth of COVID information is not. The assertion that posting a 'live location' create dangerous real world consequences is completely absurd. We know plenty about the dead humans COVID misinformation left in its wake. You are okay with censorship here because you agree with it. Full stop. >It's a question of safety of provably true information in this case. Okay, prove the lack of safety.
        hndamien 4y ago
        > It's a question of safety of provably true information in this case. The information is provably true by going to the location and verifying that the person is there.
    - bumbledraven 4y ago
      Yeah, misinformation and agitprop have very real consequences, but Twitter still shouldn't ban, e.g., Anthony Fauci (if he had an account) or CNN, no matter how much misinformation or agitprop they spread. That stuff should be addressed with replies, community notes, and other commentary.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > Anecdotally, I did see the @ElonJet account, and have still never seen the source of the data. It's here: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af The source code for the bot: https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify ADSBexchange (and FlightRadar and several other orgs) are just tracking the public broadcasts each plane makes every second with its location, altitude, airspeed, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Dependent_Surveillance%E2%80%93Broadcast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Dependent_Surveillan...
  - SamBam 4y ago
    > Based on the evidence (safety claim by Elon, death of Diana) it appears that promoting and publicising it makes it accessible to a wider audience that does have an effect on real world consequences. Wow, you have to reach back 25 years, and it's an absolutely terrible example because it has nothing to do with a constant publication of location to the general public. Instead paparazzi used their own private communications (paparazzi who saw her board in Sardinia told other paparazzi in France). And her death wasn't caused by someone who found out her location and wanted to do her harm. "Safety claim by Elon" is also completely meaningless since he's literally the person who wanted this shut down. So two really bad examples over 25 years is not evidence for your claim. Finally, using public information to say the state or country Elon has recently flown to is a far cry from actually giving away his current location.
lastofthemojito 4y ago
Like broadcasting his mother's funeral on live television? Ban the BBC! Obviously there are times when the rich and famous know that their location is public. At those times they generally have good security.
- egberts1 4y ago
  One is a public setting, the other is inside a private airplane.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Flying in public airspace, using public ATC, and broadcasting its location, speed, and altitude publicly via radio. Even Air Force One shows up on ADSBexchange when it's in the air. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf8 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf8
    - egberts1 4y ago
      Agreed, but posting passenger manifest that isn’t available wasn’t a good idea.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        No one was posting passenger manifests of Elon's jets.
        egberts1 4y ago
        @elonjet
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        Again, the account didn't post passenger manifests. It posted publicly available ADS-B data, automatically. You can review the source, if you like: https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify The data comes from https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af. You'll see no passenger list there.
ceejayoz 4y ago
Happens all the time. The Royal jets have ADS-B just like everything else. "Members of the British Royal Family en route to Balmoral castle to see Queen Elizabeth after news of her failing health, very sad." - https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/x91yli/members_of_the_british_royal_family_en_route_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/x91yli/members_of_the... https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=407d90 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=407d90
- hndamien 4y ago
  The question was "What would you think..." not "What if...". In this case it appears that you did not think.

If the data were gathered from already public information, I wouldn't have a problem with it. How is synthesizing data that's already public (indeed, required by law to be public) a problem? Anyone that actually wanted to use this data to harm Musk would have no trouble simply using the exact same original data.

hndamien 4y ago
Based on the evidence (safety claim by Elon, death of Diana) it appears that promoting and publicising it makes it accessible to a wider audience that does have an effect on real world consequences. I presume this is also why marketing works on a platform that enhances the reach and distribution of a particular piece of information. Anecdotally, I did see the @ElonJet account, and have still never seen the source of the data.
- cmh89 4y ago
  > that promoting and publicising it makes it accessible to a wider audience that does have an effect on real world consequences. So you'd be okay with banning misinformation about COVID and the COVID vaccine? Misinformation and agitprop had very real consequences in the real world.
  - hndamien 4y ago
    The test of the truth of a live location is trivial. The test of truth of COVID information is not. In the case are spreading something that is provably untrue eg. 1 + 1 = 3, even in that case, you should just rebut and explain why it is untrue. Nice strawman! It's a question of safety of provably true information in this case.
    - cmh89 4y ago
      >The test of the truth of a live location is trivial. The test of truth of COVID information is not. The assertion that posting a 'live location' create dangerous real world consequences is completely absurd. We know plenty about the dead humans COVID misinformation left in its wake. You are okay with censorship here because you agree with it. Full stop. >It's a question of safety of provably true information in this case. Okay, prove the lack of safety.
      - hndamien 4y ago
        > It's a question of safety of provably true information in this case. The information is provably true by going to the location and verifying that the person is there.
  - bumbledraven 4y ago
    Yeah, misinformation and agitprop have very real consequences, but Twitter still shouldn't ban, e.g., Anthony Fauci (if he had an account) or CNN, no matter how much misinformation or agitprop they spread. That stuff should be addressed with replies, community notes, and other commentary.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > Anecdotally, I did see the @ElonJet account, and have still never seen the source of the data. It's here: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af The source code for the bot: https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify ADSBexchange (and FlightRadar and several other orgs) are just tracking the public broadcasts each plane makes every second with its location, altitude, airspeed, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Dependent_Surveillance%E2%80%93Broadcast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Dependent_Surveillan...
- SamBam 4y ago
  > Based on the evidence (safety claim by Elon, death of Diana) it appears that promoting and publicising it makes it accessible to a wider audience that does have an effect on real world consequences. Wow, you have to reach back 25 years, and it's an absolutely terrible example because it has nothing to do with a constant publication of location to the general public. Instead paparazzi used their own private communications (paparazzi who saw her board in Sardinia told other paparazzi in France). And her death wasn't caused by someone who found out her location and wanted to do her harm. "Safety claim by Elon" is also completely meaningless since he's literally the person who wanted this shut down. So two really bad examples over 25 years is not evidence for your claim. Finally, using public information to say the state or country Elon has recently flown to is a far cry from actually giving away his current location.

lastofthemojito 4y ago

Like broadcasting his mother's funeral on live television? Ban the BBC! Obviously there are times when the rich and famous know that their location is public. At those times they generally have good security.

egberts1 4y ago
One is a public setting, the other is inside a private airplane.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Flying in public airspace, using public ATC, and broadcasting its location, speed, and altitude publicly via radio. Even Air Force One shows up on ADSBexchange when it's in the air. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf8 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=adfdf8
  - egberts1 4y ago
    Agreed, but posting passenger manifest that isn’t available wasn’t a good idea.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      No one was posting passenger manifests of Elon's jets.
      - egberts1 4y ago
        @elonjet
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        Again, the account didn't post passenger manifests. It posted publicly available ADS-B data, automatically. You can review the source, if you like: https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify https://github.com/Jxck-S/plane-notify The data comes from https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af. You'll see no passenger list there.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Happens all the time. The Royal jets have ADS-B just like everything else. "Members of the British Royal Family en route to Balmoral castle to see Queen Elizabeth after news of her failing health, very sad." - https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/x91yli/members_of_the_british_royal_family_en_route_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/x91yli/members_of_the... https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=407d90 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=407d90

hndamien 4y ago
The question was "What would you think..." not "What if...". In this case it appears that you did not think.