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One thing that bugs me about the commentary here is that absolutely everything comes down to whether someone is mean or nice. It doesn't matter what they're sa

One thing that bugs me about the commentary here is that absolutely everything comes down to whether someone is mean or nice. It doesn't matter what they're saying, it's the TONE. Like we could all die fighting over the last gallon of gas in some burnt out hell world and it would be fine as long as everyone was nice to each other. It's like there is no past, there is no future, there is only the every present now and everybody's feelings and that's the only thing that exists.

colordrops 4y ago
"Tone" is a part of what one says. It's not meaningless. It carries a message as well.
- narrator 4y ago
  Except tone is a function of the observer. It's purely subjective and thus one can make absolutely anything offensive by complaining about the tone. Watch: I don't like the tone of your comment. Now prove to me that you're not saying something in a tone that's not offensive to me. You can't. My feelings are authoritative "lived experience."
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  - colordrops 4y ago
    It's no different from the words themselves. Sometimes tone is vague and other times it's direct and obvious.
semireg 4y ago
Zen can be uncomfortable
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Pxtl 4y ago
Yup. Fundamentally Elon's "free speech" thing was about anti-trans hate. And you can find the same hate here on HN, and it's fine as long as you weird it politely and ignore that those are real people we're talking about.
hn_user2 4y ago
I think tone affects whether one wants to engage in disagreement. If I disagree with someone but they have an incredibly incendiary tone, I want nothing to do with a discourse. If someone disagrees but has a rational tone, I am more willing to voice my disagreements. For me, tone effects my engagement with opposition, not whether or not I oppose something. I would argue that without the "mean" tone, people might stick around twitter and have a discourse about their disagreements, and with the "mean" tone people are more likely to just bail and complain outside the platform. Obviously we don't have a control group, so we have nothing to compare what twitter is doing right now against something else directly.
seydor 4y ago
Welcome to twitter

colordrops 4y ago

"Tone" is a part of what one says. It's not meaningless. It carries a message as well.

narrator 4y ago
Except tone is a function of the observer. It's purely subjective and thus one can make absolutely anything offensive by complaining about the tone. Watch: I don't like the tone of your comment. Now prove to me that you're not saying something in a tone that's not offensive to me. You can't. My feelings are authoritative "lived experience."
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- colordrops 4y ago
  It's no different from the words themselves. Sometimes tone is vague and other times it's direct and obvious.

semireg 4y ago

Zen can be uncomfortable

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Pxtl 4y ago

Yup. Fundamentally Elon's "free speech" thing was about anti-trans hate. And you can find the same hate here on HN, and it's fine as long as you weird it politely and ignore that those are real people we're talking about.

hn_user2 4y ago

I think tone affects whether one wants to engage in disagreement. If I disagree with someone but they have an incredibly incendiary tone, I want nothing to do with a discourse. If someone disagrees but has a rational tone, I am more willing to voice my disagreements. For me, tone effects my engagement with opposition, not whether or not I oppose something. I would argue that without the "mean" tone, people might stick around twitter and have a discourse about their disagreements, and with the "mean" tone people are more likely to just bail and complain outside the platform. Obviously we don't have a control group, so we have nothing to compare what twitter is doing right now against something else directly.

seydor 4y ago

Welcome to twitter