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My entire issue actually has nothing to do with health, and everything to do with authoritarianism. Before the vaccine mandates and coercion I had a seething h

My entire issue actually has nothing to do with health, and everything to do with authoritarianism. Before the vaccine mandates and coercion I had a seething hatred of corrupt and incompetent little tyrants in positions of power, afterward was nothing new, it just confirmed what I already knew about them. I don't care if I would have a statistically better outcome with the vaccine, I took great pleasure in standing up and defying their bullying and coercion. The wailing and the gnashing of teeth and name calling and crocodile tears from these pathetic clowns about people not getting vaccinated really warmed my heart gave me great pleasure and has mentally helped me tremendously in the past few years. I'm actually starting to feel a bit sad they're slithering back into their holes now, I was hoping for a showdown, but these people are nothing if not cowards like all bullies so this is to be expected. What surprised me more was how many and how quickly people folded, or never even had any concerns in the first place. Obviously a good portion of the population are a meek and subservient type who want to be ruled and protected. After that a good number are flighty and will panic and run with the heard if something spooks them, sadly a trait that's easily exploited. I really should not have been surprised though, I've seen the same dynamic play out time and time again to start wars, invade privacy, take rights, and take money so irrational optimism that it would be different next time is my failing.

xcrunner529 4y ago
“I drove my car off a cliff to really stick it to society” What’s warmed my heart is most Covid deaths being from the unvaccinated. Clearing out the weak and stupid even sooner than natural causes.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  > “I drove my car off a cliff to really stick it to society” Strawman. > What’s warmed my heart is most Covid deaths being from the unvaccinated. Clearing out the weak and stupid even sooner than natural causes. And the wailing and gnashing of teeth continues. You sound like a nasty, sick person xcrunner529. They don't make a jab for that. EDIT: I will give you the benefit of the doubt though, in the spirit of this website. Perhaps you are not naturally like this, but that you have just been radicalized by hateful rhetoric from violent extremists that I see going around all too often these days. And you're lashing out here because you're being precious about the fact you've been lead to believe incorrect things about the vaccines and virus so many times. If that is the case I wish you the best in your recovery.
  - xcrunner529 4y ago
    The vaccine has stayed just as effective for serious disease as it always was said. I am undeniably safer with the vaccine than without as I have actual family members who like you bought into the “vaccine bad” propaganda and died an early death from…COVID. There really should be real life DARWIN awards. The great thing, it’s mostly right wing voters dying. :)
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      > The vaccine has stayed just as effective for serious disease as it always was said. It wasn't, this is just how you're coping with your cognitive dissonance. > There really should be real life DARWIN awards. There are. They are called the Darwin Awards. They have a website and everything. > The great thing, it’s mostly right wing voters dying. :) No I know you don't really mean it, you're just angry and lashing out because you've been wrong and humiliated so many times. You're a good person deep down I think. And surprise surprise, you're wrong about this too. Vaccination rates correlate highly with age, and so do right wing political beliefs. Because the vaccine is more beneficial for older people. And people can in fact make reasonable decisions about their health. Incredible isn't it?
      - xcrunner529 4y ago
        The people dying are almost all unvaccinated. In any age group. Period. It’s a fact you can’t change.
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
        You put on a brave front, but I think deep down your beliefs don't really comfort you from knowing that you've been fooled and wrong many times, and continue to be. I think and hope you are strong enough to one day come to terms with it though.
        momo_O 4y ago
        Source?
jasonhansel 4y ago
When you admit to making your decision based purely on "seething hatred," can you really blame people for seeing that decision as irrational?
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  > When you admit to making your decision based purely on "seething hatred," I didn't "admit" any such thing. My post is there for everybody to read. > can you really blame people for seeing that decision as irrational? I don't care what people think of my choices, but I never blamed people or complained about what they think of me. On the contrary I was quite explicit that a large segment of the population sees subservience to authority and following the herd as positive things and can simply never comprehend an objection to authoritarianism or see anything wrong with medical coercion "for the greater good, according to our betters". Clearly they will think my decision is irrational.
jancsika 4y ago
> I don't care if I would have a statistically better outcome with the vaccine, I took great pleasure in standing up and defying their bullying and coercion. I don't understand this line of reasoning. If one is being bullied and coerced into what you and I both consider to be the correct decision, one ought to a) make the correct decision, and then b) deal with the bullies?
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  I don't think I said I considered it to be correct or incorrect, but yes either way I will never take it now. If I had not been bullied by pissant little tyrants I'd have considered getting the vaccine depending on the situation. I don't get yearly flu vaccines either, but I took them in situations that required it (visiting medically sensitive people/places). Not to compare the diseases, just to compare the situation -- I'm also told a yearly flu vaccine is the "correct decision". But that's really aside, as I said it's not about the clinical benefit of the treatment. I have principles and I have pride, and it would hurt me mentally to do what they tell me. I believe on balance this choice is better for my health. I know several people who didn't want to get the vaccine but were forced to for their jobs, and are deeply upset by that. I perfectly realize that there are people who get fearful and panicked and are comforted by subservience to authoritarian leaders, who will never understand my line of reasoning. Just like I will never understand theirs. But I can empathize with them -- it must have been terrifying for them, and I don't blame them for being riled up and angry at people who disagreed with them and with their authorities. What made me sad was how little empathy there has been from people towards what they don't understand. I guess it goes with the fear mindset, fear of the unknown, the other. This is how they prey on us, I guess.

xcrunner529 4y ago

“I drove my car off a cliff to really stick it to society” What’s warmed my heart is most Covid deaths being from the unvaccinated. Clearing out the weak and stupid even sooner than natural causes.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
> “I drove my car off a cliff to really stick it to society” Strawman. > What’s warmed my heart is most Covid deaths being from the unvaccinated. Clearing out the weak and stupid even sooner than natural causes. And the wailing and gnashing of teeth continues. You sound like a nasty, sick person xcrunner529. They don't make a jab for that. EDIT: I will give you the benefit of the doubt though, in the spirit of this website. Perhaps you are not naturally like this, but that you have just been radicalized by hateful rhetoric from violent extremists that I see going around all too often these days. And you're lashing out here because you're being precious about the fact you've been lead to believe incorrect things about the vaccines and virus so many times. If that is the case I wish you the best in your recovery.
- xcrunner529 4y ago
  The vaccine has stayed just as effective for serious disease as it always was said. I am undeniably safer with the vaccine than without as I have actual family members who like you bought into the “vaccine bad” propaganda and died an early death from…COVID. There really should be real life DARWIN awards. The great thing, it’s mostly right wing voters dying. :)
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    > The vaccine has stayed just as effective for serious disease as it always was said. It wasn't, this is just how you're coping with your cognitive dissonance. > There really should be real life DARWIN awards. There are. They are called the Darwin Awards. They have a website and everything. > The great thing, it’s mostly right wing voters dying. :) No I know you don't really mean it, you're just angry and lashing out because you've been wrong and humiliated so many times. You're a good person deep down I think. And surprise surprise, you're wrong about this too. Vaccination rates correlate highly with age, and so do right wing political beliefs. Because the vaccine is more beneficial for older people. And people can in fact make reasonable decisions about their health. Incredible isn't it?
    - xcrunner529 4y ago
      The people dying are almost all unvaccinated. In any age group. Period. It’s a fact you can’t change.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        You put on a brave front, but I think deep down your beliefs don't really comfort you from knowing that you've been fooled and wrong many times, and continue to be. I think and hope you are strong enough to one day come to terms with it though.
      - momo_O 4y ago
        Source?

jasonhansel 4y ago

When you admit to making your decision based purely on "seething hatred," can you really blame people for seeing that decision as irrational?

throwawaylinux 4y ago
> When you admit to making your decision based purely on "seething hatred," I didn't "admit" any such thing. My post is there for everybody to read. > can you really blame people for seeing that decision as irrational? I don't care what people think of my choices, but I never blamed people or complained about what they think of me. On the contrary I was quite explicit that a large segment of the population sees subservience to authority and following the herd as positive things and can simply never comprehend an objection to authoritarianism or see anything wrong with medical coercion "for the greater good, according to our betters". Clearly they will think my decision is irrational.

jancsika 4y ago

> I don't care if I would have a statistically better outcome with the vaccine, I took great pleasure in standing up and defying their bullying and coercion. I don't understand this line of reasoning. If one is being bullied and coerced into what you and I both consider to be the correct decision, one ought to a) make the correct decision, and then b) deal with the bullies?

throwawaylinux 4y ago
I don't think I said I considered it to be correct or incorrect, but yes either way I will never take it now. If I had not been bullied by pissant little tyrants I'd have considered getting the vaccine depending on the situation. I don't get yearly flu vaccines either, but I took them in situations that required it (visiting medically sensitive people/places). Not to compare the diseases, just to compare the situation -- I'm also told a yearly flu vaccine is the "correct decision". But that's really aside, as I said it's not about the clinical benefit of the treatment. I have principles and I have pride, and it would hurt me mentally to do what they tell me. I believe on balance this choice is better for my health. I know several people who didn't want to get the vaccine but were forced to for their jobs, and are deeply upset by that. I perfectly realize that there are people who get fearful and panicked and are comforted by subservience to authoritarian leaders, who will never understand my line of reasoning. Just like I will never understand theirs. But I can empathize with them -- it must have been terrifying for them, and I don't blame them for being riled up and angry at people who disagreed with them and with their authorities. What made me sad was how little empathy there has been from people towards what they don't understand. I guess it goes with the fear mindset, fear of the unknown, the other. This is how they prey on us, I guess.