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If vaccination prevents you from catching covid, then it has prevented you from spreading covid to those you would have otherwise. If vaccination causes you to

by driggs 4y ago

If vaccination prevents you from catching covid, then it has prevented you from spreading covid to those you would have otherwise. If vaccination causes you to experience an early immune response, versus several asymptomatic days while unknowingly contagious, then it has prevented you from spreading covid to some of those you would have otherwise. If vaccination results in a less severe infection with lower viral load, then it has prevented you from spreading covid to some of those you would have otherwise. My reply was intentionally simple in order to drive home a point about selfish versus societal viewpoints.

Izkata 4y ago
> If vaccination prevents you from catching covid, then it has prevented you from spreading covid to those you would have otherwise. Depends on what you mean by "covid" here. If you're referring to the virus, then no - this is a misconception. The vaccines at best only reduce symptoms, they don't stop infection or transmission. > versus several asymptomatic days while unknowingly contagious This was also an early guess that turned out to be wrong. We've known this wasn't a thing for years, at least before these vaccines. > My reply was intentionally simple in order to drive home a point about selfish versus societal viewpoints. Right now, getting vaccinated is the selfish action because it's likely to turn you into an asymptomatic spreader. At least when unvaccinated you'll know to stay home.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > Right now, getting vaccinated is the selfish action because it's likely to turn you into an asymptomatic spreader. At least when unvaccinated you'll know to stay home. This is a) insane and b) directly contradicts the point you tried to make above it.
  - Izkata 4y ago
    How does it contradict it? These vaccines reduce symptoms without stopping infection/transmission -> you're helping yourself without helping the community -> it's the selfish action.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      You can't argue asymptomatic spread isn't a thing, and then claim the vaccines are bad because they cause asymptomatic spread.
      - Izkata 4y ago
        > > We've known this wasn't a thing for years, at least before these vaccines. If I remember the timeline right it was mid/late 2020 we realized that assumption was wrong, then about a year later it was apparent the vaccines weren't stopping the spread. So yeah, my statements are entirely consistent: There wasn't before the vaccines, there was after.

by driggs 4y ago

Izkata 4y ago

> If vaccination prevents you from catching covid, then it has prevented you from spreading covid to those you would have otherwise. Depends on what you mean by "covid" here. If you're referring to the virus, then no - this is a misconception. The vaccines at best only reduce symptoms, they don't stop infection or transmission. > versus several asymptomatic days while unknowingly contagious This was also an early guess that turned out to be wrong. We've known this wasn't a thing for years, at least before these vaccines. > My reply was intentionally simple in order to drive home a point about selfish versus societal viewpoints. Right now, getting vaccinated is the selfish action because it's likely to turn you into an asymptomatic spreader. At least when unvaccinated you'll know to stay home.

ceejayoz 4y ago
> Right now, getting vaccinated is the selfish action because it's likely to turn you into an asymptomatic spreader. At least when unvaccinated you'll know to stay home. This is a) insane and b) directly contradicts the point you tried to make above it.
- Izkata 4y ago
  How does it contradict it? These vaccines reduce symptoms without stopping infection/transmission -> you're helping yourself without helping the community -> it's the selfish action.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    You can't argue asymptomatic spread isn't a thing, and then claim the vaccines are bad because they cause asymptomatic spread.
    - Izkata 4y ago
      > > We've known this wasn't a thing for years, at least before these vaccines. If I remember the timeline right it was mid/late 2020 we realized that assumption was wrong, then about a year later it was apparent the vaccines weren't stopping the spread. So yeah, my statements are entirely consistent: There wasn't before the vaccines, there was after.