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>For it to be a reasonable choice to not want to take the vaccine wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the ri

>For it to be a reasonable choice to not want to take the vaccine wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the risk of death / complications from covid multiplied by the risk of getting covid? a huge chunk of the population already got covid during the entire year no vaccine existed and have natural immunity, so that's not really a factor at this point. The risk of getting covid for them is already baked into the calculation because they got it when there was no other option. They can now decide whether the additional risk of the vaccine is worth it you can't even make the case for mandates based on "stopping the spread" anymore because the vaccines failed at that as well, so it's no longer a public health issue and becomes a personal health decision. Or at least it should be

seydor 4y ago
> during the entire year no vaccine existed and have natural immunity, That's not true anymore. Recent variants dont induce a lot of immunity that s why reinfections are common. In fact the opposite is true in some cases https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1841 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1841 That said, the vaccines don't prevent infection either
acdha 4y ago
> a huge chunk of the population already got covid during the entire year no vaccine existed and have natural immunity, so that's not really a factor at this point. The new variants are effective at evading immunity from earlier variants so, no, that's not moot. Even without evasion you'd still need to consider how quickly immunity wanes, too. The vaccines are holding up well for avoiding hospitalization but you're still looking at multiple per year given how much COVID has been mutating. https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-new-covid-wave https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-new-covid-wave

seydor 4y ago

> during the entire year no vaccine existed and have natural immunity, That's not true anymore. Recent variants dont induce a lot of immunity that s why reinfections are common. In fact the opposite is true in some cases https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1841 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq1841 That said, the vaccines don't prevent infection either

acdha 4y ago

> a huge chunk of the population already got covid during the entire year no vaccine existed and have natural immunity, so that's not really a factor at this point. The new variants are effective at evading immunity from earlier variants so, no, that's not moot. Even without evasion you'd still need to consider how quickly immunity wanes, too. The vaccines are holding up well for avoiding hospitalization but you're still looking at multiple per year given how much COVID has been mutating. https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-new-covid-wave https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-new-covid-wave