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What is objectively worse about them? They seem very popular with consumers.

bmitc 4y ago
Popularity does not necessarily correlate with quality. Tesla is typically rated at the bottom for quality and reliability.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
  - bmitc 4y ago
    Note that that ranking only compares against other EVs, of which there aren't that many yet, and that Kia's new model, which has only been out for a year, is already above Tesla. I have said this for years, and it's been clear to me that Tesla cannot compete against traditional car makers moving into the EV space. Consumer Reports ranks Tesla at either the bottom or second to last when compared against all other car manufacturers.
- judge2020 4y ago
  Tesla is pretty high on reliability, just not quality (ie. panel gaps and build quality issues are still a thing, but based on CR they're on-par with all the other non-luxury car brands).
  - bmitc 4y ago
    They are rated low on both reliability and quality. Consumer Reports rates them second to last in reliability. And Tesla has for years done warranty work as "goodwill repairs" to hide how bad their reliability is.
ravenstine 4y ago
For one, their interior is rather unluxurious considering the price tag relative to other EVs. The only thing it's got going for it is the tablet screen, which was cool back in the day but today anyone can install an aftermarket one in their old beater. If someone wants to buy a Tesla because they truly like it or the brand, they're the only ones who can decide the right answer for them. I personally don't get it. There are way better options now in my eyes; it's just they're uncool brand names like Subaru and Hyundai.
jedberg 4y ago
The engineering tolerances are not good -- ie. you can stick a pen between the body panels. Can't do that with a Toyota or Honda, for example. The interior is spartan. My $40,000 minivan has more interior features for passengers than a $140,000 Model X. The tablet controls. They are unsafe as they make you take your eyes off the road. Cars still need physical buttons for critical control systems and systems that consumers need to control often (radio, climate control, windshield wipers, cruise control, etc.). Build quality -- Tesla's are known for having cheap parts and parts that fall off or break easily or just wear out quickly.
- mym1990 4y ago
  I agree with pretty much all of this but if any governing body(whether it be the manufacturer or government) cared about screens and how detrimental they are to safety and driving, you wouldn't see every other person gawking at their phone while driving 70mph.
  - jedberg 4y ago
    There's a reason using your phone while driving is illegal in most of the liberal states.
    - mym1990 4y ago
      Jaywalking is also illegal in a lot of places, doesn't mean its enforced.
- csa 4y ago
  > Cars still need physical buttons for critical control systems and systems that consumers need to control often (radio, climate control, windshield wipers, cruise control, etc.). Radio - volume and track control are physical, more technical stuff can be done by voice or simple touch screen touches. For folks who say “I don’t do voice, but I demand physical controls”, I humbly suggest that using voice is safer than anything physical in terms of maintaining focus on the road. Climate control - voice or simple, easy-to-access touch controls. Windshield wipers - physical or voice, voice or touch to adjust if necessary. “Auto” makes can make this a set it and forget it feature. Cruise control - physical

Popularity does not necessarily correlate with quality. Tesla is typically rated at the bottom for quality and reliability.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
- bmitc 4y ago
  Note that that ranking only compares against other EVs, of which there aren't that many yet, and that Kia's new model, which has only been out for a year, is already above Tesla. I have said this for years, and it's been clear to me that Tesla cannot compete against traditional car makers moving into the EV space. Consumer Reports ranks Tesla at either the bottom or second to last when compared against all other car manufacturers.
judge2020 4y ago
Tesla is pretty high on reliability, just not quality (ie. panel gaps and build quality issues are still a thing, but based on CR they're on-par with all the other non-luxury car brands).
- bmitc 4y ago
  They are rated low on both reliability and quality. Consumer Reports rates them second to last in reliability. And Tesla has for years done warranty work as "goodwill repairs" to hide how bad their reliability is.

ravenstine 4y ago

For one, their interior is rather unluxurious considering the price tag relative to other EVs. The only thing it's got going for it is the tablet screen, which was cool back in the day but today anyone can install an aftermarket one in their old beater. If someone wants to buy a Tesla because they truly like it or the brand, they're the only ones who can decide the right answer for them. I personally don't get it. There are way better options now in my eyes; it's just they're uncool brand names like Subaru and Hyundai.

jedberg 4y ago

The engineering tolerances are not good -- ie. you can stick a pen between the body panels. Can't do that with a Toyota or Honda, for example. The interior is spartan. My $40,000 minivan has more interior features for passengers than a $140,000 Model X. The tablet controls. They are unsafe as they make you take your eyes off the road. Cars still need physical buttons for critical control systems and systems that consumers need to control often (radio, climate control, windshield wipers, cruise control, etc.). Build quality -- Tesla's are known for having cheap parts and parts that fall off or break easily or just wear out quickly.

mym1990 4y ago
I agree with pretty much all of this but if any governing body(whether it be the manufacturer or government) cared about screens and how detrimental they are to safety and driving, you wouldn't see every other person gawking at their phone while driving 70mph.
- jedberg 4y ago
  There's a reason using your phone while driving is illegal in most of the liberal states.
  - mym1990 4y ago
    Jaywalking is also illegal in a lot of places, doesn't mean its enforced.
csa 4y ago
> Cars still need physical buttons for critical control systems and systems that consumers need to control often (radio, climate control, windshield wipers, cruise control, etc.). Radio - volume and track control are physical, more technical stuff can be done by voice or simple touch screen touches. For folks who say “I don’t do voice, but I demand physical controls”, I humbly suggest that using voice is safer than anything physical in terms of maintaining focus on the road. Climate control - voice or simple, easy-to-access touch controls. Windshield wipers - physical or voice, voice or touch to adjust if necessary. “Auto” makes can make this a set it and forget it feature. Cruise control - physical