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Why is it so hard to find data showing how often people are dying, no matter the cause, broken down by vaccination status and age? Surely that would help clear

Why is it so hard to find data showing how often people are dying, no matter the cause, broken down by vaccination status and age? Surely that would help clear things up. Lots of countries publish COVID-19 mortality rates which show benefits for vaccinated but that's really not helpful for understanding overall risk of vaccines. The UK is the only country I could find that publishes this data and unless I'm missing something things look really bad. Table 2 in [1] shows a 2-3x higher mortality rate for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated in almost all groups this year. Perhaps the unvaccinated are healthier on average, maybe, but 2-3x healthier? Yeah, don't think so. What's going on? [1] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde....

sdnas211 4y ago
That is showing the raw numbers - they aren't adjusted for vaccinated/unvaccinated population sizes. ~53 million people have had at least one shot, and there are around 6 million children under 10 (so not counted in the figures you linked). With a population of about 68 million total, the unvaccinated all causes figures should be about 16% of the ever vaccinated. The ratio should skew further in older age ranges, as a higher proportion of those were vaccinated.
- SnowProblem 4y ago
  It also shows mortality rates per 100,000. That's what I was referring to. For example, here are the rates of all-cause mortality for the most last month they released, May 2022, for the 40-49 group: - Unvaccinated: 64.1 - One dose: 171.5 - Two doses: 106.4 - Three doses: 83.7
  - mint2 4y ago
    Lest someone draw the statistically unsound but temping surface level conclusion from this, consider that people with pre-existing conditions and especially severe ones would have more incentive to have three doses. There is self selection on these groups, they are not random samples.

sdnas211 4y ago

That is showing the raw numbers - they aren't adjusted for vaccinated/unvaccinated population sizes. ~53 million people have had at least one shot, and there are around 6 million children under 10 (so not counted in the figures you linked). With a population of about 68 million total, the unvaccinated all causes figures should be about 16% of the ever vaccinated. The ratio should skew further in older age ranges, as a higher proportion of those were vaccinated.

SnowProblem 4y ago
It also shows mortality rates per 100,000. That's what I was referring to. For example, here are the rates of all-cause mortality for the most last month they released, May 2022, for the 40-49 group: - Unvaccinated: 64.1 - One dose: 171.5 - Two doses: 106.4 - Three doses: 83.7
- mint2 4y ago
  Lest someone draw the statistically unsound but temping surface level conclusion from this, consider that people with pre-existing conditions and especially severe ones would have more incentive to have three doses. There is self selection on these groups, they are not random samples.