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C++ overtakes Java in language popularity index

14 points by elorant 4y ago

djaouen 4y ago
- mintaka5 4y ago
  obsolete is a bit too much
  - djaouen 4y ago
    - g42gregory 4y ago
      One example would be PyTorch, a Python deep learning library used almost everywhere in the modern world and written in C++, by an "old dinosaur" Facebook. :-) The point is that the modern world can not function without C/C++. The (C)Python itself is written in C. Most real-time financial software. Embedded systems, such as ones used in Tesla. Etc...
    - fncslothouber 4y ago
      Both are used extensively in the IT systems that operate most of the Dutch railways.
      - nix23 4y ago
        Please don't criticize him, he try's since years to create a hard real time os in elixir, with his favorite editor emacs...programmed in lisp ;-) No success in the foreseeable future i think.
        djaouen 4y ago
        Lmao https://youtu.be/d-mYX0qKkB8 https://youtu.be/d-mYX0qKkB8
    - Koshkin 4y ago
      Maybe this will be something closer to the world you live in: Unreal Engine, too, is written in C++.
- whywhywhydude 4y ago
  Maybe you should try to get out of your webapp bubble. Most database servers are written in C++. What do you think Kafka, Cassandra, Elasticsearch and Solr written in? What makes you think those languages are dead?
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    I'd add that the overwhelming majority of ML stuff (including "classic"), run in C++ (+cuda), or C or Fortran.
- psychphysic 4y ago
  Is this missing a sarcasm tag?
kristianp 4y ago
This is the original source of that data: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/
devdude1337 4y ago
Modern C++ is just fine. It is a more flexible language than Java and the rising demand of embedded software for advanced microcontrollers allows complex C++ instead of no-malloc-for-safety-reasons - style C. So I find the current trend not too surprising. Also I dont know many languages that offer that much versatility. Only Rust maybe…when the ecosystem matures…
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  What is wrong with the ecosystem? The only issue as far as I can tell is that many platforms are not supported by LLVM, but given that GCC now has a rust frontend (without the borrow checker), I don't see why plain old rustc can't be used to verify semantics and the gcc front-end to compile for other platforms.
uvdn7 4y ago
Rust borrows c++’s modern memory model verbatim. C++ is a language that keeps innovating besides many legit reasons to hate the language. Having more competition is good. I would expect more rust/{your favorite language} concepts to show up in future versions of c++ (once proven to be a good idea in most cases).
not_me_ever 4y ago
Can we stop considering tiobe a popularity index? It's like basing your popularity on how many times people lookup your number in the phone book. While the real popular people are probably on speed dial.

14 points by elorant 4y ago

djaouen 4y ago

mintaka5 4y ago
obsolete is a bit too much
- djaouen 4y ago
  - g42gregory 4y ago
    One example would be PyTorch, a Python deep learning library used almost everywhere in the modern world and written in C++, by an "old dinosaur" Facebook. :-) The point is that the modern world can not function without C/C++. The (C)Python itself is written in C. Most real-time financial software. Embedded systems, such as ones used in Tesla. Etc...
  - fncslothouber 4y ago
    Both are used extensively in the IT systems that operate most of the Dutch railways.
    - nix23 4y ago
      Please don't criticize him, he try's since years to create a hard real time os in elixir, with his favorite editor emacs...programmed in lisp ;-) No success in the foreseeable future i think.
      - djaouen 4y ago
        Lmao https://youtu.be/d-mYX0qKkB8 https://youtu.be/d-mYX0qKkB8
  - Koshkin 4y ago
    Maybe this will be something closer to the world you live in: Unreal Engine, too, is written in C++.
whywhywhydude 4y ago
Maybe you should try to get out of your webapp bubble. Most database servers are written in C++. What do you think Kafka, Cassandra, Elasticsearch and Solr written in? What makes you think those languages are dead?
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  I'd add that the overwhelming majority of ML stuff (including "classic"), run in C++ (+cuda), or C or Fortran.
psychphysic 4y ago
Is this missing a sarcasm tag?

kristianp 4y ago

This is the original source of that data: https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

devdude1337 4y ago

Modern C++ is just fine. It is a more flexible language than Java and the rising demand of embedded software for advanced microcontrollers allows complex C++ instead of no-malloc-for-safety-reasons - style C. So I find the current trend not too surprising. Also I dont know many languages that offer that much versatility. Only Rust maybe…when the ecosystem matures…

PartiallyTyped 4y ago
What is wrong with the ecosystem? The only issue as far as I can tell is that many platforms are not supported by LLVM, but given that GCC now has a rust frontend (without the borrow checker), I don't see why plain old rustc can't be used to verify semantics and the gcc front-end to compile for other platforms.

uvdn7 4y ago

Rust borrows c++’s modern memory model verbatim. C++ is a language that keeps innovating besides many legit reasons to hate the language. Having more competition is good. I would expect more rust/{your favorite language} concepts to show up in future versions of c++ (once proven to be a good idea in most cases).

not_me_ever 4y ago

Can we stop considering tiobe a popularity index? It's like basing your popularity on how many times people lookup your number in the phone book. While the real popular people are probably on speed dial.