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Since the Musk takeover, conspiracy theorists on $8Chan have talked about Grant Wahl dying suddenly because of the "clot shot". Then we find out he died of a r

• westmeal 4y ago
  People will believe whatever they want to believe, just let them stew.
  • bb88 4y ago
    This works until it leads to politicians asking for grand juries to investigate anyone associated with the vaccine. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/13/ron-desantis-grand-jury-investigation-covid-vaccines-florida https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/13/ron-desantis...
  • phtrivier 4y ago
    Unfortunately, some of them don't stew in silence - and consider anyone who got vaccinated with exactly the same contempt as you do. Which is all fun and games until you have to, you know, _live_ with them in the real world because they're your family and / or loved ones ?
• kennend3 4y ago
  There is also the "Canadian doctors" story the anti-vax group continue to flog yet it has being proven wrong over and over again. https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/11/07/why-wont-a-debunked-conspiracy-theory-about-doctors-harmed-by-the-covid-vaccine-go-away.html https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/11/07/why-wont-a-de... One of the doctors drowned in a river attempting to save his kids, yet the anti-vax group elect to leverage his tragedy for their narrative.
  • vfclists 4y ago
    > One of the doctors drowned in a river attempting to save his kids, yet the anti-vax group elect to leverage his tragedy for their narrative. One out of how many?
    • kennend3 4y ago
      The number of doctors who "died" after getting their fourth dose is a moving target, but the article i posted did a bit of a breakdown: " The cluster of deaths back in the summer helped kindle what is now a fire — a conspiracy theory that today peddles a list of dozens of doctors online, including the three who died in July, as well as — according to its own descriptions — several who drowned, one who was in the middle of biking 105 kilometres and a doctor who died coming down K2, a mountain deadlier than Everest. " It started out as "three" doctors, now it is "dozens".
      • LarryMullins 4y ago
        Conflating "died from the vaccine" with "died with the vaccine". Quite ironic!
• OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  Are you saying that aneuryms are not a potential adverse event associated with MRNA Covid vaccination [1]? Furthermore, we know hypertension is also associated with dissections, and there are several documented cases of acute and non-acute hypertension after MRNA covid vaccination [2] I'm saying that to say there are some possibilities there, but I am also going to say the opposite too. I don't know that we know enough about the adverse events associated with these vaccinations, and whether or not a vaccine is implicated, or if there was a previous medical condition. Retrospectively speaking, I don't know that an autopsy would give us any novel answers either, because of the gaps we have around passive medical surveillance vs active medical surveillance. I am sorry that Mr. Wahl died at such a relatively young age [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35646499/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35646499/ [2] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epub/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA.121.17316 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epub/10.1161/HYPERTENSIONAHA...
  • bb88 4y ago
    These are at least 4 known causes of aortic aneurysms. 1) Smoking (behavioral) 2) High blood pressure (dietary or genetic) 3) High cholesterol (dietary of genetic) 4) Marfan's syndrome (genetic) Last I checked, doctors (who know these things) were seriously considering it was #4. You're a skeptic, right? Why invent new untested possibilities when a there are a series of well known possibilities to be tested first?
    • OrvalWintermute 4y ago
      Actually, this list is insufficient according to the NIH [1] an article in Circulation [2] and my wife, a boarded surgeon. Where she provided data I have italicized it, all others are from NIH and the other source. Interestingly, Diabetes can also have a protective effective against aneuryms [3]. There is also evidence that viral infection can likewise play a contributing role to local inflammation in aorta, similar to the better-known effects of bacterial infections ...CMV infection can stimulate local inflammation in the aorta but is not a direct cause of most abdominal aortic aneurysms. [4] Genetic/History Ehlers–Danlos syndrome Loeys–Dietz syndrome Marfan syndrome Turner syndrome Familial thoracic aortic aneurysms Bicuspid aortic valve (BAV), which is an abnormal aortic valve Birth Defect Diabetes, particularly uncontrolled diabetes Lifestyle Habits Aneurysms of blood vessels in other parts of your body Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) Cardiovascular conditions, such as atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease, and peripheral artery disease Unhealthy blood cholesterol level High blood pressure, which is the leading risk factor for thoracic aortic aneurysms but also a risk factor for abdominal aortic aneurysm Bacterial infections, which are a risk factor for thoracic aortic aneurysms. Kidney conditions, such as renal failure, chronic kidney disease, and polycystic kidney disease Obesity Pheochromocytoma external link , a rare tumors of the adrenal gland that can lead to high blood pressure Vasculitis [1] https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/aortic-aneurysm/causes https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/aortic-aneurysm/causes [2] https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.110.006486 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.110.0... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6198737/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6198737/ [4] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26901 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26901