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> Remember, COVID hasn't been shown to be particularly dangerous to young people... Having seen the impact of covid on young family members and others in my ex

> Remember, COVID hasn't been shown to be particularly dangerous to young people... Having seen the impact of covid on young family members and others in my extended social circles, I believe that there's a long tail of effects that we won't be able to see the full picture of for years to come. There's a lot more that should be considered in the decision than just risk of death.

seydor 4y ago
But the vaccine does not help with those effects, and importantly it doesnt prevent infection.
mikem170 4y ago
I'm a numbers guy. I happened to just stumble onto this article [0], summarizing a study on the vaccines and long covid: > Compared to an unvaccinated individual, the risk of long Covid in a fully vaccinated individual was cut by only about 15 percent, the study found. > Dr. Greg Vanichkachorn, director of the Mayo Clinic’s Covid Activity Rehabilitation Program in Rochester, Minnesota, who was not involved with the new study, said the results were not “too surprising.” > “We know that the majority of folks with long Covid have not had severe infections,” he said. Not very much help against long covid on average, nothing like the protection against hospitalizations in vulnerable populations. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccines-offer-little-protection-long-covid-study-finds-rcna30467 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccines-offer-li...
CadmiumYellow 4y ago
Something I've been wondering about: has anybody tried to separate out the effects of the pandemic itself from the symptoms of long covid? So many of the symptoms of long covid are incredibly nonspecific. I believe there was a study on long covid patients that found that the only long covid symptom that had a significant correlation with actually having tested positive for covid was loss of smell and taste. There is a lot of evidence that social isolation and sedentary lifestyles are detrimental to our health and we now live in a world where loads of people barely left the house or spoke to anyone other than their immediate family members for the better part of two years. We're seeing widespread effects throughout society in everything from education to crime to the amount of violent incidents on airplanes. It's likely that millions of people who do not have long covid are currently in some form of mental health crisis related to the pandemic. Overdose deaths and suicides are up. I wonder how many people started the pandemic with no major covid risk factor and now have a risk factor such as obesity or diabetes that can be directly linked to the psychosocial effects of the pandemic. I'm not suggesting that long covid doesn't exist, but I wonder how much of that long tail of effects can actually be causally linked to covid infection (obviously not talking about things like lung damage, though I do wonder if stress and isolation could have affected previously healthy people's immune systems). My personal experience with mental health issues suggests that they can have severe and wide-ranging physical effects that are as bad as any disease.
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  I don't have links handy, but I remember seeing studies that show brain aging on the order of ~10 years in long covid patients reporting brain fog. That could also be a result of sedentary living as a result of the lockdown, it seems unlikely that it'd be that severe given the length of time involved. As far as I know the leading theory is that damage to the circulation systems of some covid patients is causing a reduction in the quality of bloodflow in the brain which has obvious negative impacts on neurons.
Izkata 4y ago
If you're concerned about an unproven long tail of effects from the virus, you should be equally concerned about the same from the vaccines. They haven't even been around as long as the virus.

seydor 4y ago

But the vaccine does not help with those effects, and importantly it doesnt prevent infection.

mikem170 4y ago

I'm a numbers guy. I happened to just stumble onto this article [0], summarizing a study on the vaccines and long covid: > Compared to an unvaccinated individual, the risk of long Covid in a fully vaccinated individual was cut by only about 15 percent, the study found. > Dr. Greg Vanichkachorn, director of the Mayo Clinic’s Covid Activity Rehabilitation Program in Rochester, Minnesota, who was not involved with the new study, said the results were not “too surprising.” > “We know that the majority of folks with long Covid have not had severe infections,” he said. Not very much help against long covid on average, nothing like the protection against hospitalizations in vulnerable populations. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccines-offer-little-protection-long-covid-study-finds-rcna30467 https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccines-offer-li...

CadmiumYellow 4y ago

Something I've been wondering about: has anybody tried to separate out the effects of the pandemic itself from the symptoms of long covid? So many of the symptoms of long covid are incredibly nonspecific. I believe there was a study on long covid patients that found that the only long covid symptom that had a significant correlation with actually having tested positive for covid was loss of smell and taste. There is a lot of evidence that social isolation and sedentary lifestyles are detrimental to our health and we now live in a world where loads of people barely left the house or spoke to anyone other than their immediate family members for the better part of two years. We're seeing widespread effects throughout society in everything from education to crime to the amount of violent incidents on airplanes. It's likely that millions of people who do not have long covid are currently in some form of mental health crisis related to the pandemic. Overdose deaths and suicides are up. I wonder how many people started the pandemic with no major covid risk factor and now have a risk factor such as obesity or diabetes that can be directly linked to the psychosocial effects of the pandemic. I'm not suggesting that long covid doesn't exist, but I wonder how much of that long tail of effects can actually be causally linked to covid infection (obviously not talking about things like lung damage, though I do wonder if stress and isolation could have affected previously healthy people's immune systems). My personal experience with mental health issues suggests that they can have severe and wide-ranging physical effects that are as bad as any disease.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
I don't have links handy, but I remember seeing studies that show brain aging on the order of ~10 years in long covid patients reporting brain fog. That could also be a result of sedentary living as a result of the lockdown, it seems unlikely that it'd be that severe given the length of time involved. As far as I know the leading theory is that damage to the circulation systems of some covid patients is causing a reduction in the quality of bloodflow in the brain which has obvious negative impacts on neurons.

Izkata 4y ago

If you're concerned about an unproven long tail of effects from the virus, you should be equally concerned about the same from the vaccines. They haven't even been around as long as the virus.