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The way I see it when talking about Tesla it’s talking about the pre/post Tesla (aka the transition from ICE to EV in all auto makers) and not the build quality

The way I see it when talking about Tesla it’s talking about the pre/post Tesla (aka the transition from ICE to EV in all auto makers) and not the build quality of Tesla per se !

czbond 4y ago
^ This. There is just a backlash on HN with Elon hurting so many people's feels about Twitter & having an alternate political view, that everyone is seeing him in a negative light. Tesla helped push ICE to EV even though technologically some of the efforts may have been done at other companies and products before - yet Tesla pushed the experience mainstream.
slg 4y ago
Exactly, they are asking for technology that can shift their industry. They aren't asking for Tesla's baggage any more than a request for "Uber for X" implies they want a company that will ignore regulatory requirements.
- failuser 4y ago
  I’m pretty sure that “Uber for X” implies some degree of ignoring regulations long enough to have power to change them.
fabianhjr 4y ago
Why not pre/post electric Lada of the 1980s and associated R&D? https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-electric-car-mass-produced/ https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-elect... The biggest manufacturer of electric cars worldwide is BYD The biggest driver of sales (trough public policy) has been China and Europe, including things like announcing bans of ICE in city centers/cities: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country Tesla started as a luxury brand (Roadster and then luxury sedans) and the only innovation they have managed is name recognition; even the adoption they have driven in the US has been mostly trough public policy like tax incentives.
- slg 4y ago
  Because very few people will know what you are talking about if you go up to a random person and ask them about Lada or BYD. Musk is an egomaniacal idiot that most of us dislike. There are countless valid reasons to dislike Tesla as a company and the cars they make. However, that shouldn't cause people to overthink things when their name is simply being used as shorthand as it clearly is in this instance.
  - esalman 4y ago
    > Because very few people will know what you are talking about if you go up to a random person and ask them about Lada or BYD. This is why parent said only innovation Tesla has managed is name recognition.
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The way I see it when talking about Tesla it’s talking about the pre/post Tesla (aka the transition from ICE to EV in all auto makers) and not the build quality of Tesla per se !

czbond 4y ago

^ This. There is just a backlash on HN with Elon hurting so many people's feels about Twitter & having an alternate political view, that everyone is seeing him in a negative light. Tesla helped push ICE to EV even though technologically some of the efforts may have been done at other companies and products before - yet Tesla pushed the experience mainstream.

slg 4y ago

Exactly, they are asking for technology that can shift their industry. They aren't asking for Tesla's baggage any more than a request for "Uber for X" implies they want a company that will ignore regulatory requirements.

failuser 4y ago
I’m pretty sure that “Uber for X” implies some degree of ignoring regulations long enough to have power to change them.

fabianhjr 4y ago

Why not pre/post electric Lada of the 1980s and associated R&D? https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-electric-car-mass-produced/ https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-elect... The biggest manufacturer of electric cars worldwide is BYD The biggest driver of sales (trough public policy) has been China and Europe, including things like announcing bans of ICE in city centers/cities: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country Tesla started as a luxury brand (Roadster and then luxury sedans) and the only innovation they have managed is name recognition; even the adoption they have driven in the US has been mostly trough public policy like tax incentives.

slg 4y ago
Because very few people will know what you are talking about if you go up to a random person and ask them about Lada or BYD. Musk is an egomaniacal idiot that most of us dislike. There are countless valid reasons to dislike Tesla as a company and the cars they make. However, that shouldn't cause people to overthink things when their name is simply being used as shorthand as it clearly is in this instance.
- esalman 4y ago
  > Because very few people will know what you are talking about if you go up to a random person and ask them about Lada or BYD. This is why parent said only innovation Tesla has managed is name recognition.

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