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> Tesla for home appliances: re-inventing home appliances (water heaters, induction stoves, clothes dryers, etc) to create better consumer experiences using spe

• fundad 4y ago
  Venture capitalists using Tesla in some kind of virtue signal is the most 2022 thing
  • snordgren 4y ago
    Considering what a terrible year this has been for Tesla stock and their absentee CEO it would be more fitting in 2021. The brand has enough baggage by now that the second-highest comment chain is about its unsuitability as an ideal, rather than discussing the content itself.
    • fundad 4y ago
      That was the point. It’s vey 2022 to gaslight us about how we’re experiencing these VC darlings.
• SalimoS 4y ago
  The way I see it when talking about Tesla it’s talking about the pre/post Tesla (aka the transition from ICE to EV in all auto makers) and not the build quality of Tesla per se !
  • czbond 4y ago
    ^ This. There is just a backlash on HN with Elon hurting so many people's feels about Twitter & having an alternate political view, that everyone is seeing him in a negative light. Tesla helped push ICE to EV even though technologically some of the efforts may have been done at other companies and products before - yet Tesla pushed the experience mainstream.
  • slg 4y ago
    Exactly, they are asking for technology that can shift their industry. They aren't asking for Tesla's baggage any more than a request for "Uber for X" implies they want a company that will ignore regulatory requirements.
    • failuser 4y ago
      I’m pretty sure that “Uber for X” implies some degree of ignoring regulations long enough to have power to change them.
  • fabianhjr 4y ago
    Why not pre/post electric Lada of the 1980s and associated R&D? https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-electric-car-mass-produced/ https://www.reckontalk.com/electro-russian-tesla-first-elect... The biggest manufacturer of electric cars worldwide is BYD The biggest driver of sales (trough public policy) has been China and Europe, including things like announcing bans of ICE in city centers/cities: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Electric_car_use_by_country Tesla started as a luxury brand (Roadster and then luxury sedans) and the only innovation they have managed is name recognition; even the adoption they have driven in the US has been mostly trough public policy like tax incentives.
    • slg 4y ago
      Because very few people will know what you are talking about if you go up to a random person and ask them about Lada or BYD. Musk is an egomaniacal idiot that most of us dislike. There are countless valid reasons to dislike Tesla as a company and the cars they make. However, that shouldn't cause people to overthink things when their name is simply being used as shorthand as it clearly is in this instance.
• Grustaf 4y ago
  Tesla is indeed a strange choice for a simile, considering that Tesla cars use prodigious amounts of energy compared to other electric cars, or other cars in general. I doubt they're even more environmentally friendly overall than a compact combustion engine car. Tesla made electric cool by building an over the top luxury car, what we really need is the opposite.
  • bryanlarsen 4y ago
    There are some cars coming out next year that are more energy efficient than a Tesla, like the Hyundai Ioniq 6, but I don't know of any currently widely available vehicles that are.
    • robin_reala 4y ago
      By energy efficient do you mean kilowatt hours / kilometer (or equivalent units)? The standard range Model 3 – the most efficient one – is apparently 15/16 kWh per 100km, which is pretty much exactly the same as a VW ID3 (15.5 - 15.7 in Pro spec) and only a little less than a Hyundai Ioniq 5 (16.8).
      • odshoifsdhfs 4y ago
        Sitting on my hyundai kona ev. In 2833 kms, consumption was 13.5 kwh/100km
    • Grustaf 4y ago
      A tesla weighs 2-3 times more than a compact car, so that means it must be extremely efficient pound for pound. Nevertheless, I doubt many people, until recently, bought Tesla's because of (ostensible) environmental concerns.
      • bmitc 4y ago
        How does your efficiency argument follow from merely weight?
• agilob 4y ago
  I would be a great disaster if Tesla or HP produced water boilers. If would be success if Brother or raspberry pi made them.
  • MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
    The idea of "HP Instant Ink"-like subscriptions for home appliances is vomit inducing.
    • agilob 4y ago
      "Your boiler has reached the limit of water it can warm up this month. We're sending you a new one"
    • pclmulqdq 4y ago
      But think of the shareholder value they could accrue. Honestly, I'm not very mad at instant ink because the printer market was so broken. A subscription for another appliance would be pretty maddening, though.
    • FredPret 4y ago
      I have instant ink and I love it. First time ever I’ve been able to own a printer without swearing at it once
• bmitc 4y ago
  I came here to post this as well. For one, it doesn't even make sense. Tesla is a car manufacturer and makes objectively worse cars than the competition. They just happen to be EVs. Making any thing "Tesla" inside my house means it will be flashy but work less well than existing solutions, in addition to removing all knobs. All of which is the opposite of what I want. I've already de-smartified my Nests because, surprise, they aren't actually smart and end up being worse than me controlling them.
  • ghiculescu 4y ago
    What is objectively worse about them? They seem very popular with consumers.
    • bmitc 4y ago
      Popularity does not necessarily correlate with quality. Tesla is typically rated at the bottom for quality and reliability.
      • bryanlarsen 4y ago
        https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
        • bmitc 4y ago
          Note that that ranking only compares against other EVs, of which there aren't that many yet, and that Kia's new model, which has only been out for a year, is already above Tesla. I have said this for years, and it's been clear to me that Tesla cannot compete against traditional car makers moving into the EV space. Consumer Reports ranks Tesla at either the bottom or second to last when compared against all other car manufacturers.
      • judge2020 4y ago
        Tesla is pretty high on reliability, just not quality (ie. panel gaps and build quality issues are still a thing, but based on CR they're on-par with all the other non-luxury car brands).
• RangerScience 4y ago
  > unanimous lack of confidence in "autopilot" I've witnessed in owners I'm an owner and I have a lot of confidence in autopilot. Generally, if it's possible to use autopilot on the road I'm on, I do. So that's one owner you're witnessing who's not part of that "unanimous".
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• malfist 4y ago
  Isn't the big problem with smart appliances exactly this? I was in the market for a new pellet grill recently and I ran into huge problems, almost everything on the market is bluetooth this or wifi that. The last thing I need is an unreliable radio to be at the center of the controls for my outdoor appliance, or for any appliance whatsoever, to have a dependency on my internet connection and the availability of some manufacturers servers. Because who know what might happen. The manufacturer might decide it doesn't like your hardware anymore and push out a firmware update that bricks all your devices in 60 days, but don't worry, they'll give you a coupon for buying the latest and greatest from them (looking at you sonos). Want to know how to not get me to buy your product? Make it dependent on some unreliable technology that gives no benefit to the device, but makes the device dependent on the goodwill of the parent corporation.
  • ravenstine 4y ago
    What's amazing is the failed potential of these devices that do include things like Bluetooth and WiFi. In so many cases, they sporadically fail to pair with their respective apps, or are slow to pair, if they can reliably pair at all. Even when the connection works, you'd better hope the app actually alerts you when your food is ready or whatever. Whooops, our API returned a 500! Our bad, bruh! I'm particularly baffled because, in my experience designing and manufacturing my own PCB with a BLE IC on it, integrating something like BLE and having it work reliably doesn't seem that difficult. BLE is an annoyingly complicated standard, but it's by no means impossible to work with. The app I wrote could pair with the device instantly and reliably stay connected while receiving data in real time. I don't get why other BLE devices I've owned have issues while my pissant attempt had none of them. If it's BLE, you can count on seeing some loading spinners frequently unless it's being paired with another devices designed specifically for it (like a game console). The only wireless digital technologies I've found are beneficial are WiFi internet and Bluetooth audio (which is still awful in most cases but AirPods work OK). Everything else ends up being a gimmick, more of a hassle, and even a trojan horse for more privacy violations.
• csa 4y ago
  > unanimous lack of confidence in "autopilot" I've witnessed in owners You must talk to a very narrow band of Tesla owners. Auto pilot is basically enhanced cruise control, and Tesla do this quite well. If you’re referring to fulls self driving (FSD), then I agree. FSD is best seen as slightly advanced autopilot (it can change lanes, etc.) and self-parking in very tight spots like small garages. The FSD name is largely a misnomer, and it has given the features that have been implemented well (listed above) a very bad name. Related to the request and your comment, I personally wish that home appliances would have Tesla-esque features, just without the Elon over-promising bluster.