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> The researchers induced cardiac arrest in pigs and left the dead bodies at room temperature for an hour How is this allowed?

lefstathiou 4y ago
1.5 billions hogs are killed a year to feed the human race according to the Google, a huge percentage of which I’m sure ends up as waste (uneaten and unsold). This seems like a noble pursuit by comparison. Society at large is comfortable with the wholesale slaughter of animals for our benefit.
- uhtred 4y ago
  Please don't trivialize it by calling them hogs. Also one of these things doesn't have to be acceptable; they can both be cruel.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    Please don't trivialize hogs by calling them pigs. 'Pig' is a diminutive term derived from "piglet". Calling a hog a 'pig' is like calling a man a 'boy'. If you really want to show respect, then call them swine.
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      If anyone’s curious that isn’t actually true. Piglet is derived from pig by assigning the suffix of -let to imply it’s smaller. https://www.etymonline.com/word/piglet https://www.etymonline.com/word/piglet
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        Pig originally meant a young hog, with swine referring to mature hogs. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pig#Etymology_1 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pig#Etymology_1 > From Middle English pigge (“pig, pigling”) (originally a term for a young pig, with adult pigs being swyn), apparently from Old English picga (attested only in compounds, such as picgbrēad (“mast, pig-fodder”)), from Proto-West Germanic piggō, puggō (“piglet”). Compare Middle Dutch pogge, puggen, pigge, pegsken (“pigling”), Middle Low German pugge, pûke (“piglet”). The word applied to an immature animal rapidly gaining weight, so it probably derives from the verb "to big" (build, increase), from Middle English biggen, byggen, from Old Norse byggja, byggva (“to build”), from Proto-Germanic būwijaną (“to build”), from PIE bʰuH- (“to become, to grow”). Pokorny suggests this root might be somehow related to bū-, bew- (“to blow; swell”), which could account for the alternation between "pig" and "big".* > A connection to early modern Dutch bigge (contemporary big (“piglet”)), West Frisian bigge (“pigling”) and similar terms in Middle Low German is sometimes proposed, "but the phonology is difficult".[1] Some sources say the words are "almost certainly not" related,[2] others consider a relation "probable, but not certain".[3] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hog https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hog > 2. (specifically) An adult swine (contrasted with a pig, a young swine). In any case, hog is not derogatory. The comment I was responding to was ridiculous, so I flipped the script to demonstrate that.
Fomite 4y ago
IACUCs, the animal version of IRBs, evaluate the potential benefits to both human and animal welfare compared to the suffering of the animals in question - and that a minimum of animals are being used. It's very possible the argument is that this research outweighs the cost of life for these animals. It's also possible this was effectively going to happen anyway. Research animals are often, by law, culled rather than sold or the like, and many researchers do their best to ensure that their sacrifice is not wasted. If they are going to be euthanized anyway, they may be directed to a project like this.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago
Why would it not be allowed? This is a good thing!

lefstathiou 4y ago

1.5 billions hogs are killed a year to feed the human race according to the Google, a huge percentage of which I’m sure ends up as waste (uneaten and unsold). This seems like a noble pursuit by comparison. Society at large is comfortable with the wholesale slaughter of animals for our benefit.

uhtred 4y ago
Please don't trivialize it by calling them hogs. Also one of these things doesn't have to be acceptable; they can both be cruel.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Please don't trivialize hogs by calling them pigs. 'Pig' is a diminutive term derived from "piglet". Calling a hog a 'pig' is like calling a man a 'boy'. If you really want to show respect, then call them swine.
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    If anyone’s curious that isn’t actually true. Piglet is derived from pig by assigning the suffix of -let to imply it’s smaller. https://www.etymonline.com/word/piglet https://www.etymonline.com/word/piglet
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Pig originally meant a young hog, with swine referring to mature hogs. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pig#Etymology_1 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pig#Etymology_1 > From Middle English pigge (“pig, pigling”) (originally a term for a young pig, with adult pigs being swyn), apparently from Old English picga (attested only in compounds, such as picgbrēad (“mast, pig-fodder”)), from Proto-West Germanic piggō, puggō (“piglet”). Compare Middle Dutch pogge, puggen, pigge, pegsken (“pigling”), Middle Low German pugge, pûke (“piglet”). The word applied to an immature animal rapidly gaining weight, so it probably derives from the verb "to big" (build, increase), from Middle English biggen, byggen, from Old Norse byggja, byggva (“to build”), from Proto-Germanic būwijaną (“to build”), from PIE bʰuH- (“to become, to grow”). Pokorny suggests this root might be somehow related to bū-, bew- (“to blow; swell”), which could account for the alternation between "pig" and "big".* > A connection to early modern Dutch bigge (contemporary big (“piglet”)), West Frisian bigge (“pigling”) and similar terms in Middle Low German is sometimes proposed, "but the phonology is difficult".[1] Some sources say the words are "almost certainly not" related,[2] others consider a relation "probable, but not certain".[3] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hog https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hog > 2. (specifically) An adult swine (contrasted with a pig, a young swine). In any case, hog is not derogatory. The comment I was responding to was ridiculous, so I flipped the script to demonstrate that.

Fomite 4y ago

IACUCs, the animal version of IRBs, evaluate the potential benefits to both human and animal welfare compared to the suffering of the animals in question - and that a minimum of animals are being used. It's very possible the argument is that this research outweighs the cost of life for these animals. It's also possible this was effectively going to happen anyway. Research animals are often, by law, culled rather than sold or the like, and many researchers do their best to ensure that their sacrifice is not wasted. If they are going to be euthanized anyway, they may be directed to a project like this.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 4y ago

Why would it not be allowed? This is a good thing!