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You're making it seem like AI will replace coders. Do you think Dall-E will replace artists, or just make an artist's job different? IMO it's more like a coder

You're making it seem like AI will replace coders. Do you think Dall-E will replace artists, or just make an artist's job different? IMO it's more like a coder using AI to make their job easier. It's still up to a human to come up with the individual problem the function solves, architect a solution from multiple functions/objects/etc, come up with a data model, and so on and so on. The AI just generates the code itself. And at least as of now, the code needs to be double-checked.

spaceman_2020 4y ago
No, but it is very likely that it reduces to demand for coders and artists. Sure, there will always be demand for a Linus Torvalds or a Damien Hirst. But will there be demand for Coder #365968 at Infosys or a graphic designer pumping out $50 ad banners? We’re looking at the possibility of some white collar jobs having the same income disparity as creative jobs. Just as there are some musicians who make hundreds of millions while the vast majority barely make ends meet, we may have a future where the star programmers make millions while the average players are automated out of the competition.
- weatherlite 4y ago
  > No, but it is very likely that it reduces to demand for coders and artists Eventually, I agree yes. But there could be a boom of huge new investments into A.I products, more devs needed and in fact teams getting way more requirements since they are more productive. Imagine the stuff we will be able to build in things like search, personal assistants, biomed, in fact what industry won't this affect? Its unbelievable to me that people are now saying Google search might become obsolete, that's absolutely crazy. Not many people saw that one coming. But at least initially I don't think GPT models will be able to do everything themselves. So its very hard to determine that say in the coming 5 years devs will find it more difficult to get a job. 10-20 years from now sure, I don't see how anyone gets a cognitive job anymore let alone devs. In fact our entire school/university system is probably obsolete, kids are probably learning skills they won't be able to apply in any job market. We need to start think about stuff like teaching kids emotional intelligence, spirituality and meditation...not cramming for a math test.
coldtea 4y ago
>Do you think Dall-E will replace artists, or just make an artist's job different? If an ad agency or a magazine publisher can get a custom illustration that works for my purposes from Dall-E, then they ain't paying no artist. Not theoritical, many already do use those generated images. That's not just "making the artist's job easier". It's taking jobs from artists (well, illustrators and graphic designers at least), especially in the cheaper end of the business (e.g. not Nike, but your local Pet Store chain, restaurant, or news outlet, sure).
- mitchdoogle 4y ago
  There's still a matter of taste that Dall-E can't provide. It will only spit out what you tell it to, and if you lack good taste, then you'll still produce something inferior
  - synu 4y ago
    It must be relatively easier though to be a discerning consumer than having the ability to produce something yourself (without using AI?)
- darkerside 4y ago
  People will tire of DALLE eventually. We are great pattern matches, and we'll start to see the patterns that don't measure up. Then it'll be all about the next AI engine, and it'll need its own corpus of work. Who's going to create it? So yes, not OP, but I think artists will still have jobs, although less of them, and the job will be different.
  - YetAnotherNick 4y ago
    There is no indication that we don’t have enough images already available and training time is the main bottleneck. Also openai clear showed that DALL-E could generate avacado chair even though there is nothing like that in the dataset.
bufferoverflow 4y ago
DallE, Midjourney, and StableDiffusion are already taking jobs. Illustrations, album covers, blog post images. People are making beautiful books and playing cards. Midjourney V4 is amazing. It spits out absolutely beautiful images.
- thedorkknight 4y ago
  How many of those people would have actually paid for an artist otherwise though? I myself am thinking of playing around with game dev for fun with the thought of using image AI to generate the art. Were it not for that, I'd just use free textures, or more likely, just spend my time doing something else entirely
- derefr 4y ago
  To be precise, AI is "taking jobs" that could have already been commoditized long ago if people in developing countries understood how Fiverr worked and had set up "art sweatshops" to serve demand. There's enough art talent already around in the world to entirely commoditize the supply of it for the little one-off no-style-guide-to-follow commissioned works you're talking about. It's just not currently a liquid market — supply and demand find it hard to discover one-another — and so a true market-clearing price can't be set. Meanwhile, AI is not currently taking anyone's advertising-campaign graphic design job, or anything else where the "efficient-market price" (in a world where human "art sweatshops" existed) would be more than $5.
weatherlite 4y ago
> You're making it seem like AI will replace coders I find it best to accept it will most likely replace all of us, from doctors to coders to even psychotherapists. Won't happen next year but 10-20 years is a very long time this thing keeps getting better. Eventually we won't be able to tell if its a machine or a brilliant superhuman. The bummer in all of this, in my view, isn't the loss of jobs; we'll find what to do. It's the transition period - the accounting wizard or the brilliant doctor losing their jobs and status and becoming kindergarten teachers or care takers or unemployed. Nothing in their upbringing or life experience prepared them for such a thing ... so that's probably gonna be rough for many people. But once most people went through the transition it won't be bad. Society I believe will be better off. We will stop being obsessed with money and status and spend much more time with family and friends. Entertainment will be insanely good and so will healthcare. Possibly medicine to make our moods better. It could be utopia.
- xpe 4y ago
  > It's the transition period - the accounting wizard or the brilliant doctor losing their jobs and status and becoming kindergarten teachers or care takers or unemployed. Yes, this is a big problem. However... a lot of people would enjoy being teachers, albeit with significant improvements to the educational systems.
  - weatherlite 4y ago
    We can enjoy it if there's more of us. Each class can have 5 teachers instead of one teacher on 30 kids. Government can create those jobs, take the hundred of trillions created and redistribute it. Marx was right I think capitalism eventually kills itself ...we won't need it anymore. Arguably we already don't need the aggressive version we have now but soon enough it will be clear we don't need any version of it. The means of production (AI, robots and land) will be transferred to the people who will all receive basic income, free services and (if they want) jobs created by the government for the greater good. I don't think its a dystopia.
    - xpe 4y ago
c3534l 4y ago
Eventually. 20 years, 50, maybe 100. But eventually.
- jve 4y ago
  ... people still freaking out machines will replace someone, since what, industrialization 200+ years ago? People still work, just maybe different jobs or more intellectual jobs.
  - phito 4y ago
    Except this time it's different https://youtu.be/WSKi8HfcxEk https://youtu.be/WSKi8HfcxEk
xbmcuser 4y ago
It will replace coders with thinkers. The number of people that have ideas good or bad is large compared to the people that can implement those ideas as these bots/ai get better they will produce a lot of code. At the start it will probably increase the amount of code produced and the number of coders but with time as the ai gets better need for coders will decrease. We will need people that can think or imagine ideas rather than coders now these people might still be considered software developers but they will not be coders in strictest sense of the word.

spaceman_2020 4y ago

No, but it is very likely that it reduces to demand for coders and artists. Sure, there will always be demand for a Linus Torvalds or a Damien Hirst. But will there be demand for Coder #365968 at Infosys or a graphic designer pumping out $50 ad banners? We’re looking at the possibility of some white collar jobs having the same income disparity as creative jobs. Just as there are some musicians who make hundreds of millions while the vast majority barely make ends meet, we may have a future where the star programmers make millions while the average players are automated out of the competition.

weatherlite 4y ago
> No, but it is very likely that it reduces to demand for coders and artists Eventually, I agree yes. But there could be a boom of huge new investments into A.I products, more devs needed and in fact teams getting way more requirements since they are more productive. Imagine the stuff we will be able to build in things like search, personal assistants, biomed, in fact what industry won't this affect? Its unbelievable to me that people are now saying Google search might become obsolete, that's absolutely crazy. Not many people saw that one coming. But at least initially I don't think GPT models will be able to do everything themselves. So its very hard to determine that say in the coming 5 years devs will find it more difficult to get a job. 10-20 years from now sure, I don't see how anyone gets a cognitive job anymore let alone devs. In fact our entire school/university system is probably obsolete, kids are probably learning skills they won't be able to apply in any job market. We need to start think about stuff like teaching kids emotional intelligence, spirituality and meditation...not cramming for a math test.

coldtea 4y ago

>Do you think Dall-E will replace artists, or just make an artist's job different? If an ad agency or a magazine publisher can get a custom illustration that works for my purposes from Dall-E, then they ain't paying no artist. Not theoritical, many already do use those generated images. That's not just "making the artist's job easier". It's taking jobs from artists (well, illustrators and graphic designers at least), especially in the cheaper end of the business (e.g. not Nike, but your local Pet Store chain, restaurant, or news outlet, sure).

mitchdoogle 4y ago
There's still a matter of taste that Dall-E can't provide. It will only spit out what you tell it to, and if you lack good taste, then you'll still produce something inferior
- synu 4y ago
  It must be relatively easier though to be a discerning consumer than having the ability to produce something yourself (without using AI?)
darkerside 4y ago
People will tire of DALLE eventually. We are great pattern matches, and we'll start to see the patterns that don't measure up. Then it'll be all about the next AI engine, and it'll need its own corpus of work. Who's going to create it? So yes, not OP, but I think artists will still have jobs, although less of them, and the job will be different.
- YetAnotherNick 4y ago
  There is no indication that we don’t have enough images already available and training time is the main bottleneck. Also openai clear showed that DALL-E could generate avacado chair even though there is nothing like that in the dataset.

bufferoverflow 4y ago

DallE, Midjourney, and StableDiffusion are already taking jobs. Illustrations, album covers, blog post images. People are making beautiful books and playing cards. Midjourney V4 is amazing. It spits out absolutely beautiful images.

thedorkknight 4y ago
How many of those people would have actually paid for an artist otherwise though? I myself am thinking of playing around with game dev for fun with the thought of using image AI to generate the art. Were it not for that, I'd just use free textures, or more likely, just spend my time doing something else entirely
derefr 4y ago
To be precise, AI is "taking jobs" that could have already been commoditized long ago if people in developing countries understood how Fiverr worked and had set up "art sweatshops" to serve demand. There's enough art talent already around in the world to entirely commoditize the supply of it for the little one-off no-style-guide-to-follow commissioned works you're talking about. It's just not currently a liquid market — supply and demand find it hard to discover one-another — and so a true market-clearing price can't be set. Meanwhile, AI is not currently taking anyone's advertising-campaign graphic design job, or anything else where the "efficient-market price" (in a world where human "art sweatshops" existed) would be more than $5.

weatherlite 4y ago

> You're making it seem like AI will replace coders I find it best to accept it will most likely replace all of us, from doctors to coders to even psychotherapists. Won't happen next year but 10-20 years is a very long time this thing keeps getting better. Eventually we won't be able to tell if its a machine or a brilliant superhuman. The bummer in all of this, in my view, isn't the loss of jobs; we'll find what to do. It's the transition period - the accounting wizard or the brilliant doctor losing their jobs and status and becoming kindergarten teachers or care takers or unemployed. Nothing in their upbringing or life experience prepared them for such a thing ... so that's probably gonna be rough for many people. But once most people went through the transition it won't be bad. Society I believe will be better off. We will stop being obsessed with money and status and spend much more time with family and friends. Entertainment will be insanely good and so will healthcare. Possibly medicine to make our moods better. It could be utopia.

xpe 4y ago
> It's the transition period - the accounting wizard or the brilliant doctor losing their jobs and status and becoming kindergarten teachers or care takers or unemployed. Yes, this is a big problem. However... a lot of people would enjoy being teachers, albeit with significant improvements to the educational systems.
- weatherlite 4y ago
  We can enjoy it if there's more of us. Each class can have 5 teachers instead of one teacher on 30 kids. Government can create those jobs, take the hundred of trillions created and redistribute it. Marx was right I think capitalism eventually kills itself ...we won't need it anymore. Arguably we already don't need the aggressive version we have now but soon enough it will be clear we don't need any version of it. The means of production (AI, robots and land) will be transferred to the people who will all receive basic income, free services and (if they want) jobs created by the government for the greater good. I don't think its a dystopia.
  - xpe 4y ago

c3534l 4y ago

Eventually. 20 years, 50, maybe 100. But eventually.

jve 4y ago
... people still freaking out machines will replace someone, since what, industrialization 200+ years ago? People still work, just maybe different jobs or more intellectual jobs.
- phito 4y ago
  Except this time it's different https://youtu.be/WSKi8HfcxEk https://youtu.be/WSKi8HfcxEk

xbmcuser 4y ago

It will replace coders with thinkers. The number of people that have ideas good or bad is large compared to the people that can implement those ideas as these bots/ai get better they will produce a lot of code. At the start it will probably increase the amount of code produced and the number of coders but with time as the ai gets better need for coders will decrease. We will need people that can think or imagine ideas rather than coders now these people might still be considered software developers but they will not be coders in strictest sense of the word.