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Since this sort of coding is exactly what FAANG interviews test for, maybe FAANG engineers will be some of the first coders automated out of a job. That would b
by claudiulodro 4y ago
Since this sort of coding is exactly what FAANG interviews test for, maybe FAANG engineers will be some of the first coders automated out of a job. That would be an interesting irony.
- madspindel 4y agoYes, I believe this is something Sam Altman is predicting will happen.
- ohwellhere 4y agoI don't know Mr. Altman's rationale, but FAANG companies being first to automate away programmers sounds reasonable to me on the basis of scale alone. They have more code than most companies with which to make up a company- and problem-specific dataset, as well as the resources and expertise to train and deploy complex models.
- michpoch 4y agoOnly as long as you expect that FAANG engineers are solving FAANG interviews as a part of their daily job.
- andromeduck 4y agoYou never need algorithms until you really do.
- WrtCdEvrydy 4y agoThe algorithm tests are there to have an excuse to discriminate on other criteria. If you can mask your racial/age/gender reason for not hiring as a FAANG with "oh, we didn't like their algorithm solution" you always have an out.
- bluedevilzn 4y agoFAANG is the only place where you don’t need to be white to succeed. So, I have no idea what racial bias you’re talking about.
- Quarrelsome 4y ago> FAANG is the only place where you don’t need to be white to succeed. I feel like this "only" is erroneous. While FAANG do have solid diversity policies in place to assume they're the only companies capable diversity in their hiring practices is offensive to everyone else.
- Der_Einzige 4y agoIf you think that immigrants, particularly indian and Chinese, are not bringing their own oppressions from their homeland, you're wrong. HN has the best thread for discussing the caste baste discrimination that happens among Indian tech workers in the USA. It turns out that being white still gives you a lot of privilege, even in tye FAANGs.
- wendyshu 4y agoAlgorithm problems are what FAANG candidates do in interviews but is it what FAANG engineers do for work?
- roflyear 4y agoThey don't do much work. Must be nice.
- underdeserver 4y agoYet somehow Search works, AWS machines spin up, and Windows gets updates.
- danpalmer 4y agoNo. FAANG interviews are mostly about filtering very large candidate pools efficiently and getting good enough engineers out at the end. The job is much more architecture/design, creating API contracts, understanding the health of systems in many different ways, measuring impact of changes, etc. Regular engineering stuff at big scale. Obviously there’s plenty of coding too, but it’s not really the important part of the job, and already has a ton of automation for boilerplate. I imagine that the automation will just improve another step change, there will be more need for review and guidance of the AI algorithms and the engineers will do more of this. And interviews will involve in some way.
- onion2k 4y agoI suspect that might be the case regardless. FAANGs have people who can deploy this sort of tech, who can solve the problems is generates (assuming the generated solutions aren't perfect), and their engineers are the most expensive. They have the most to gain. A software shop making small apps would benefit far less. That said, its likely that the job of being a dev is going to be largely debugging generated code in the future no matter where you work.
- lagrange77 4y ago> FAANGs have people who can deploy this sort of tech, who can solve the problems is generates I think this is an important point. > That said, its likely that the job of being a dev is going to be largely debugging generated code in the future no matter where you work. This and formulating the right prompts, i think.
- angarg12 4y agoWrote my full comment at the top level. I'm a FAANG interviewer and I've run my coding questions through ChatGPT. The TL;DR is that code would easily pass a junior-level interview, and maybe a mid-level one. I'm definitely convinced these technologies will disrupt leetcode-style coding interviews. So either we embrace it, or ditch this approach altogether.
- wittycardio 4y agoWhy would they when you could just google the answers to these questions the whole time. The point is to see if the candidate understands algorithms not to solve a novel problem.
- coldcode 4y agoReal work is more than making snippets of things. At my last employer, changes were requested every single day, in large and small ways, requiring insane amounts of reworking previous ideas in the codebase on a continuous basis without breaking everything. I wonder how well this AI would do on an entire application that wasn't predetermined. That might take much longer to achieve than solving small problems. I imagine an AI in that kind of environment inventing Skynet and doing us all in.
- alfalfasprout 4y agoIf anything, I hope this is the start of the downfall of leetcode questions. They are utterly useless as a screening criteria and outside of people that have no idea how to proceed they don't offer much signal.