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Yes. Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). It's beautiful and immediately removes the potential

Yes. Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). It's beautiful and immediately removes the potential for parasites to thrive. That's why government/statists hate it so much. They can't just steal from people under false pretenses and have to actually provide value or something of merit (which they can't do, because they've invested their entire being into parasitism).

roflyear 4y ago
Bro, oligarchs would LOVE if land == vote. You can literally buy votes with capital. What a ridiculous system (and extremely undemocratic, btw!) Guess what? People who don't own land still contribute towards society. It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. If so, that is very clearly clouding your judgement on this issue. I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it (from MLM to crypto yield scams to penny stock newsletters) - they lacked the capability to criticize it b/c they needed it to be true. It's setting yourself up for a lot of pain.
rglover 4y ago
@roflyear > You can literally buy votes with capital. That's Ethereum, not Bitcoin. > It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. Not really. I'd like to see it succeed, though, as it can help a lot of people. > I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it I've lost no money on Bitcoin and I've been in it since ~2013 (I do a simple dollar cost averaging scheme to do a daily buy and when I can, accept it as payment for my services). I have a deep disdain for MLM schemes. I don't "need" it to be true, I'd like it to be true. If people fail to "get it," I'm not going to have an existential crisis. At worst, it will just confirm my suspicion that the majority of the world's population lacks the intelligence to free themselves from tyranny (ironically, by design via state education) and are forever-destined to be enslaved. I'll still be in my backyard picking vegetables. Might even have a soda. Or I'll be in some dystopian prison singing Promised Land [1] by Elvis Presley and throwing my shit at the wall. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg
UncleMeat 4y ago
> Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). "Fuck the poor." I'm glad we got this far. "Oh it is democratic" to "yeah poor people are parasites who deserve to be crushed under my boot" in like six comments. Be honest and start there next time.
- rglover 4y ago
  > "Fuck the poor." You said that, not me. > "yeah poor people are parasites who deserve to be crushed under my boot" You said that, not me. > Be honest and start there next time. Take your own advice—you seem deeply disturbed.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    >> "Fuck the poor." > You said that, not me. The only effective way to "vote" in the Bitcoin world is to mine. The only way to mine is to be wealthy, as I've established here. The only way to be wealthy is to not be poor. Otherwise, you're just sending a letter to the lords to maybe adjust how the system works. Just being a vendor that accepts Bitcoin is the same as just taking USD and hoping the Federal Reserve moves in your interests. You're exerting the same controls overall. In the end, some outside group you have little to no control over has influence in the Monopoly bucks you're trading in. Just in one case, its the miners/exchanges (global markets for BTC). In the other, the Federal Reserve/US Government/the global market for dollars. Otherwise, making a lemonade stand or making a facebook post is the same as the right to vote in the United States. If I'm wrong about how providing services in BTC is different in terms of providing services in USD as an example of exerting democratic forces in the currency feel free to share. I'm definitely down for more examination in the topic, but from what I see so far it doesn't seem like Bitcoin is democratic or disconnected from large capital interests than USD in the end. At least with USD there's some loosely disconnected system from the people I vote for to the people actually appointed to the levers, in BTC its just the people who managed to buy the good mining hardware a few years ago or who manages to find a more efficient way to compute SHA hashes next year.

roflyear 4y ago

Bro, oligarchs would LOVE if land == vote. You can literally buy votes with capital. What a ridiculous system (and extremely undemocratic, btw!) Guess what? People who don't own land still contribute towards society. It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. If so, that is very clearly clouding your judgement on this issue. I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it (from MLM to crypto yield scams to penny stock newsletters) - they lacked the capability to criticize it b/c they needed it to be true. It's setting yourself up for a lot of pain.

rglover 4y ago

@roflyear > You can literally buy votes with capital. That's Ethereum, not Bitcoin. > It seems like you may have a lot of vested interest in BTC. Not really. I'd like to see it succeed, though, as it can help a lot of people. > I have friends who have lost a lot of money to various schemes, and they sounded just like you sound here when I tried to talk to them about it I've lost no money on Bitcoin and I've been in it since ~2013 (I do a simple dollar cost averaging scheme to do a daily buy and when I can, accept it as payment for my services). I have a deep disdain for MLM schemes. I don't "need" it to be true, I'd like it to be true. If people fail to "get it," I'm not going to have an existential crisis. At worst, it will just confirm my suspicion that the majority of the world's population lacks the intelligence to free themselves from tyranny (ironically, by design via state education) and are forever-destined to be enslaved. I'll still be in my backyard picking vegetables. Might even have a soda. Or I'll be in some dystopian prison singing Promised Land [1] by Elvis Presley and throwing my shit at the wall. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXGXCXifcWg

UncleMeat 4y ago

> Your opinion is irrelevant if you're not contributing to the whole in some way (no matter how small). "Fuck the poor." I'm glad we got this far. "Oh it is democratic" to "yeah poor people are parasites who deserve to be crushed under my boot" in like six comments. Be honest and start there next time.

rglover 4y ago
> "Fuck the poor." You said that, not me. > "yeah poor people are parasites who deserve to be crushed under my boot" You said that, not me. > Be honest and start there next time. Take your own advice—you seem deeply disturbed.
- vel0city 4y ago
  >> "Fuck the poor." > You said that, not me. The only effective way to "vote" in the Bitcoin world is to mine. The only way to mine is to be wealthy, as I've established here. The only way to be wealthy is to not be poor. Otherwise, you're just sending a letter to the lords to maybe adjust how the system works. Just being a vendor that accepts Bitcoin is the same as just taking USD and hoping the Federal Reserve moves in your interests. You're exerting the same controls overall. In the end, some outside group you have little to no control over has influence in the Monopoly bucks you're trading in. Just in one case, its the miners/exchanges (global markets for BTC). In the other, the Federal Reserve/US Government/the global market for dollars. Otherwise, making a lemonade stand or making a facebook post is the same as the right to vote in the United States. If I'm wrong about how providing services in BTC is different in terms of providing services in USD as an example of exerting democratic forces in the currency feel free to share. I'm definitely down for more examination in the topic, but from what I see so far it doesn't seem like Bitcoin is democratic or disconnected from large capital interests than USD in the end. At least with USD there's some loosely disconnected system from the people I vote for to the people actually appointed to the levers, in BTC its just the people who managed to buy the good mining hardware a few years ago or who manages to find a more efficient way to compute SHA hashes next year.