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Imagine people not wanting trashy neighborhoods. How bizarre.

kortex 4y ago
It almost always starts benign: keep the bins out of sight except for trash days. But sooner or later some power-hungry busybody takes over and the next thing you know, citations are flying left and right.
zbrozek 4y ago
It's absolutely a slippery slope. Once you've established the mechanism to harass people over trash cans, next it's the color of their house, the shape of their windows, where they park their cars on their own property, if they have a scrap wood pile, and on-and-on. And then before you know it, you have the Nextdoor-powered housing gestapo.
- akhmatova 4y ago
  It's absolutely a slippery slope. Except that it isn't - and you yourself have slipped into a classic fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
  - sodality2 4y ago
    Slippery slope is only a fallacy when there's little to no evidence that you'll fall down the slope. When there is evidence or logic showing that it truly is slippery, it's not a fallacy anymore. Even from the article you linked: > The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect Some would say it is very likely for power-tripping HOA members to continue sliding down the slope.
    - tiahura 4y ago
      Some would say is neither evidence nor logic.
      - akhmatova 4y ago
        My mistake for joining a conversation in which the local neighborhood improvement association was literally compared with the Gestapo.
brezelnbitte 4y ago
I much prefer to be left alone in a “trashy neighborhood” (which is quite a claim based on some plastic cans being outside a few hours early) than be micromanaged by my neighbors.
- prottog 4y ago
  I know what you mean, but I've been in some actually trashy neighborhoods that could have used a higher floor on the public-facing conduct of its residents. Of course, as other commenters are pointing out, it is a slippery slope that often leads to micromanagement.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    > but I've been in some actually trashy neighborhoods that could have used a higher floor on the public-facing conduct of its residents. Cool. Buy a house somewhere else then.
    - prottog 4y ago
      And I suppose those that can't afford to move will just have to deal with it?
      - KevinGlass 4y ago
        Yes. Exactly. If you want to live in a manicured cul-de-sac that's your business. If you live somewhere that isn't already a manicured cul-de-sac then you shouldn't be trying to make it into one.

It almost always starts benign: keep the bins out of sight except for trash days. But sooner or later some power-hungry busybody takes over and the next thing you know, citations are flying left and right.

zbrozek 4y ago

It's absolutely a slippery slope. Once you've established the mechanism to harass people over trash cans, next it's the color of their house, the shape of their windows, where they park their cars on their own property, if they have a scrap wood pile, and on-and-on. And then before you know it, you have the Nextdoor-powered housing gestapo.

akhmatova 4y ago
It's absolutely a slippery slope. Except that it isn't - and you yourself have slipped into a classic fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
- sodality2 4y ago
  Slippery slope is only a fallacy when there's little to no evidence that you'll fall down the slope. When there is evidence or logic showing that it truly is slippery, it's not a fallacy anymore. Even from the article you linked: > The strength of such an argument depends on whether the small step really is likely to lead to the effect Some would say it is very likely for power-tripping HOA members to continue sliding down the slope.
  - tiahura 4y ago
    Some would say is neither evidence nor logic.
    - akhmatova 4y ago
      My mistake for joining a conversation in which the local neighborhood improvement association was literally compared with the Gestapo.

brezelnbitte 4y ago

I much prefer to be left alone in a “trashy neighborhood” (which is quite a claim based on some plastic cans being outside a few hours early) than be micromanaged by my neighbors.

prottog 4y ago
I know what you mean, but I've been in some actually trashy neighborhoods that could have used a higher floor on the public-facing conduct of its residents. Of course, as other commenters are pointing out, it is a slippery slope that often leads to micromanagement.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  > but I've been in some actually trashy neighborhoods that could have used a higher floor on the public-facing conduct of its residents. Cool. Buy a house somewhere else then.
  - prottog 4y ago
    And I suppose those that can't afford to move will just have to deal with it?
    - KevinGlass 4y ago
      Yes. Exactly. If you want to live in a manicured cul-de-sac that's your business. If you live somewhere that isn't already a manicured cul-de-sac then you shouldn't be trying to make it into one.